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re: Married folks: bank accounts and bill paying question

Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:32 am to
Posted by StinkBait72
Member since Nov 2011
2057 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:32 am to
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According to a 2009 study by Jeffrey Dew at the Utah State University, one of the best indicators of marital discord is what he terms "financial disagreements." Couples who "disagree about finances once a week" are over 30 percent more likely to get divorced than couples that report "disagreeing about finances a few times a month." Disagreeing about finance means fighting about money.

According to Dew, couples who disagree about money less than once per month run a 30 to 40 percent increase in the risk of divorce. This rate increases steeply when the partners fight several times per month, once a week, several times a week, to almost daily, when the risk increases to 125 percent to 160 percent.


If you two don't trust each other enough to share a bank account...don't bother buying a ring. I know it can work with joint accounts, but the few friends I have that do this are constantly arguing about who gets to pays for what. No need to make yourself miserable over something so silly. In the end if you die or divorce, she gets it...

Like others have suggested get a CC with good rewards and put everything on it, but make sure to pay it off monthly. $1000-$1500 in rewards per year can help with nice vacations.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112799 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:37 am to
I've done it all.

First marriage started with a joint checking account. She wanted to do the bill paying. OK with me. The first few years were OK then she started getting into some severe spending problems. She went clothes shopping every day. Hid the stuff in the trunk till I was out of the house. Kept the closet from becoming overly full by gathering up last month's shopping, bagging it and taking it out to the garbage.

When I found out I demanded separate checking and splitting the mutual bills. But personal purchases were handled separately. I immediately accumulated 10K worth of savings while she was living week to week.

We got divorced after 17 years. Money was not the issue for the divorce. But I became very skeptical of women and money when I entered 2nd (and current) marriage. My 2nd wife made good money but was in heavy debt. When she proposed I said "OK, but we're having separate accounts." She: "Fine, I'm not good with money...you manage it."

After 2 years I was amazed at how thrifty she had become. She completely paid off all her debts and started accumulating some savings. I was convinced she had changed. We switched to joint checking, joint savings. We've been married 18 years and she's been terrific. Once in a while I'll get a high Visa bill and say "Honey, you need to calm down."

She'll say "OK" and cut back on the charges.

My advise: Keep things separate at first until you get a handle of your wife's money issues. After awhile if you're convinced she's on the same page as you then combine accounts.
Posted by StinkBait72
Member since Nov 2011
2057 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:44 am to
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Don't marry until you get a handle of your wife's money issues. After awhile if you're convinced she's on the same page as you then buy her a ring.


FIFY

I don't understand how anyone would marry another person without having confidence in them being able to handle the finances. Do you just have the ceremony and hope for the best when the bills come in?
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 10:45 am
Posted by CAT
Central Arkansas
Member since Aug 2006
7104 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:47 am to
Gonna be different answers for many different reasons. Whatever is done is make sure it's decided before getting married. It was easy in our case. I pay the bills and keep track of everything. Been married 15 years and works great. She's the type that will call me and ask if ok to buy a hundred dollar pair of shoes so no problem with her overspending etc.

I wouldn't have it any other way and it may have been a problem if initially she wanted to be in charge of the checkbook. I know friends who want nothing to do with it and the wife does it and it works great.

Never understood the whole different accounts stuff, makes no sense to me if you are married but to each their own.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112799 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:53 am to
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I don't understand how anyone would marry another person without having confidence in them being able to handle the finances. Do you just have the ceremony and hope for the best when the bills come in?


Stink, I think this is a generational issue. In my day we didn't live together for 5 years playing house to learn about money habits. I had no idea what my first wife's money habits were when we were dating and engaged.

I didn't know other stuff; like that she would take over 90% of the bath room with her beauty products. But once burnt, lesson learnt.

I not only demanded control over money decisions going into the second marriage to make sure I didn't get screwed over again; but I also designed our house with His/Her bathrooms. Not two vanities in one BR... two completely separate bathrooms. It's great. I highly recommend it.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 10:55 am
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:07 pm to
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What do you want, a merger, a joint venture, or an equity stake? And is she to be held-to-maturity or held-for-trading? Available for sale?


9.5/10.
To everyone else freaking out about separate accounts:
You can have joint money without joint accounts. It just makes it easier to not have overdrafts. There is no need to split the tab, because it is shared money.

Figure out a bill sharing system that works and run with it. The best I have heard is my friend and his wife rash automatically contribute to their account that pays monthly bills. Each keeps a few thousand in checking, and the one with more cash pays anything they need to from their. That does not mean that if one were to be running low, they would tell one another to go pound sand.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:46 pm to
Good to see you around here
Posted by Shenanigans
Spring Hill, TN
Member since Nov 2012
2394 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 4:26 pm to
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Joint. What's mine is hers and what's hers is mine. Seriously. We share common financial goals so I can't imagine it any other way. Anything less than $100 purchase we don't need to discuss. Any more and we'll talk about it first. Before you ask, I make twice what she does and it doesn't matter.


This is exactly what the wife and I do.

Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30620 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:19 pm to
Separate accounts. I pay mortgage. She pays bills. Easy
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:24 pm to
we each have our own account and a joint one

Pretty much the only thing that comes out of joint account is the mortgage payment

She buys groceries and I pay almost all the other bills

We each contribute one paycheck every other month to the joint account (it works out to almost exactly our mortgage payment) and the rest of our money we do with as we please
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:49 pm to
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If you two don't trust each other enough to share a bank account...don't bother buying a ring.
keeping separate bank accounts is not the same thing as fighting about money

I can think of one disagreement my wife and I have had about money in the last month.. and it was just because I picked up the tab for dinner when we went out with one of her friends.

she has a job of her own and she likes the feeling of holding on to some of that money to do with as she pleases (and that usually entails just throwing it into her own savings account ) and I'm fine with that.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 8:40 pm to
We split everything and it works great. We also make the same.

We rotate months on house payments.
She does the grocery shopping so she pays it
I pay utilities and majority of credit cards
Pay our own vehicle notes
Rotate kid expenses such as medical, daycare, etc.

She pays more most of the time but I put more in savings. Works out well when Christmas rolls around or vacation and we can jut pull 1k out of my savings to cover it.
Posted by wegotdatwood
Member since Aug 2009
17094 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 8:58 pm to
We joined accounts as soon as we were engaged. I manage all the $ and she likes it that way. She also doesn't buy much, it's nice.

We never have to have a "you or I spend too much talk." She used to have debt while we dated but she loves not having any debt now.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:31 am to
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Joint account for everything. We both write checks.


Huh?
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:32 am to
Not married, but I really hope I marry a woman I am comfortable enough having a joint account with. Not knocking those who do it separately, but like someone said I feel like joint would facilitate more communication, JMO.

And I intend to have a shitload more money than her so this aint exactly to my benefit haha.
Posted by BelleTigre11
Member since May 2011
1087 posts
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:25 am to
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a shitload more money than her


I think this is the part some people aren't understanding. You won't have more money THAN HER. YOUR money will be HERS.

So, yes, that is why it's important to absolutely and completely trust your potential wife/husband with "your" money.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:34 am to
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I think this is the part some people aren't understanding. You won't have more money THAN HER. YOUR money will be HERS.

So, yes, that is why it's important to absolutely and completely trust your potential wife/husband with "your" money.



O I completely agree. I just have some friends who were talking about not doing it because of their finances vs hers.

I was saying that even though I know I have a lot more money than my current gf, if/when we get married I'd still want to do joint for the reasons you mentioned.

I don't want to feel like she's stealing my money and I'd hate for her to feel like she's not carrying her own weight.
Posted by PresidentialPerch
The water!
Member since Dec 2012
4456 posts
Posted on 11/12/13 at 9:58 am to
Married 9 yrs and have always been joint. I know some couples who have separate and it works for them. Ya'll will have to figure out what works for yall
Posted by tiddlesmcdiddles
Lafayette, LA
Member since Apr 2013
1719 posts
Posted on 11/12/13 at 10:02 am to
is it true that money can be gifted to a couple in addition to individually?

her:13K/yr
me:13K/yr
us:13K/yr

if I'm wrong, stop me now, but would having a joint account prevent you from receiving the maximum possible? because technically i would be getting half of her gift as well?

I'm getting married next year and just trying to get a handle on this.
Posted by CurDog
Member since Jan 2007
28083 posts
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:24 pm to
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Separate?


seperate for us.

married for 18 years and it has worked fine for us
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