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re: BJ Upton...0-3 with a strikeout last nt with Gwinnett...right on schedule
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:24 am to RD Dawg
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:24 am to RD Dawg
There's no way we're going to be "cutting bait" with him anytime soon. Currently there's no doubt that we're better with Gattis in the lineup playing LF, but BJ will be given a chance to play CF and Gattis will be back to his role as a fill-in at catcher and in the OF. If BJ doesn't start hitting by the postseason, then we'll probably see Gattis get more ABs and BJ will come off the bench as a runner or defensive replacement.
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Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:25 am to volfan30
Sorry, do not see him being the Braves starting CF for the next the 3 to 4 yrs.
Let's talk this year. You think Freddy sticks 'em back in the lineup just becuase of the contract he signed?
That'd be pretty stupid and it'd be pretty stupid to use the exact same reasoning to start em the nest 3 to 4 yrs.
Let's talk this year. You think Freddy sticks 'em back in the lineup just becuase of the contract he signed?
That'd be pretty stupid and it'd be pretty stupid to use the exact same reasoning to start em the nest 3 to 4 yrs.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:31 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
Sorry, so how long do you give 'em? Do you start off next year with em in CF? Do you not resign Jordon Schafer?
If you had your choice moving forward who makes the team better?
If you had your choice moving forward who makes the team better?
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:35 am to RD Dawg
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Let's talk this year. You think Freddy sticks 'em back in the lineup just becuase of the contract he signed?
That'd be pretty stupid and it'd be pretty stupid to use the exact same reasoning to start em the nest 3 to 4 yrs.
If the decision would be a stupid one, you can bet your arse Fredi Gonzalez will make it.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:44 am to RD Dawg
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:50 am to Robot Santa
I don't think he'll stick with upton if he's struggling and has better options available.
BJ will get 4 or 5 weeks to straighten out his swing, but after that I'm betting he sits (provided he doesn't show improvement).
BJ will get 4 or 5 weeks to straighten out his swing, but after that I'm betting he sits (provided he doesn't show improvement).
Posted on 8/1/13 at 11:38 am to RD Dawg
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Sorry, so how long do you give 'em? Do you start off next year with em in CF? Do you not resign Jordon Schafer?
If you had your choice moving forward who makes the team better?
BJ Upton has been worth 16 more wins than Jordan Schafer so far in his career.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 11:43 am to OBUDan
Good Lord...Do you have a fricking answer?
Not really, you can't keep stick 'em out there just because he's owed a ton of money and of "hopes" of him returning to his old form. "Power hitter" is kinda (short for kind of BTW) a stretch isn't it?
Let's say we start next year with 'em (him) in CF and he ups his avg up 25 pts to .200 or .225. How long do you stay with 'em (him ) Do you keep stick 'em (him) in the lineup for the same reasons?
How long do you keep putting him in the lineup? Especially if he does not make your team better and they're better alternatves (Schafer or Heyward)
Do you re-sign Schafer as a securtiy blanket for next yr?I sure as hell would.
Not really, you can't keep stick 'em out there just because he's owed a ton of money and of "hopes" of him returning to his old form. "Power hitter" is kinda (short for kind of BTW) a stretch isn't it?
Let's say we start next year with 'em (him) in CF and he ups his avg up 25 pts to .200 or .225. How long do you stay with 'em (him ) Do you keep stick 'em (him) in the lineup for the same reasons?
How long do you keep putting him in the lineup? Especially if he does not make your team better and they're better alternatves (Schafer or Heyward)
Do you re-sign Schafer as a securtiy blanket for next yr?I sure as hell would.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 11:45 am to volfan30
Well Schafer sucks, so no big deal.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 11:46 am to RD Dawg
Schafer will probably make around a million in arbitration. He and Reed will be the extra outfielders again next year.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 11:50 am to RD Dawg
Schafer is still under team control for next year. He is no more than a fourth outfielder.
BJ hit 28 home runs last year. He's never going to hit 50, but power hitter isn't really a stretch.
If he hits .250 next year, walks some, plays good defense in center, hits for some power, and steals a few bags, then he'll be well worth the money
He's not being paid elite money or anything
BJ hit 28 home runs last year. He's never going to hit 50, but power hitter isn't really a stretch.
If he hits .250 next year, walks some, plays good defense in center, hits for some power, and steals a few bags, then he'll be well worth the money
He's not being paid elite money or anything
Posted on 8/1/13 at 11:55 am to RD Dawg
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Good Lord...Do you have a fricking answer?
I gave you an answer.
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Not really, you can't keep stick 'em out there just because he's owed a ton of money and of "hopes" of him returning to his old form
You clearly do not understand how the industry works.
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kinda (short for kind of BTW)
You still don't understand that you used "gotta" improperly.
You said, "You gotta fricking answer?"
Which would be "You got to fricking answer?"
Which wouldn't make sense.
Also, Fredi Gonzalez is our manager and Freddie Freeman is our 1B. There is no Freddy on our team.
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How long do you keep putting him in the lineup? Especially if he does not make your team better and they're better alternatves (Schafer or Heyward)
Schafer looked drastically improved in his time, but he's proven before to be awful. BJ's defense is markedly better than Schafer, but Schafer was obviously far more productive at the dish in the early going.
Gattis is virtually the same story. Great bat, awful in the field. That and he's likely our everyday C next year, so you can't really count on him being the everyday LF.
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Do you re-sign Schafer as a securtiy blanket for next yr?I sure as hell would.
Schafer will be coming back because he's cheap and controllable.
Look, the bottom line is that we paid him to be our starting CF. He's been a disappointment, that much is obvious to everyone, including B.J.. But if you bench him you risk have a disgruntled guy poisoning the club house, which happens to also have his brother kicking around, so probably two disgruntled guys.
At that point, your only option becomes trading him, which is difficult considering the size of his contract and his lack of productivity. You'll be getting pennies on the dollar in return OR paying him to play for someone else, which is asinine.
He's been working hard with Greg Walker from all reports and hopefully he will start to see some turnaround.
This post was edited on 8/1/13 at 11:56 am
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:09 pm to OBUDan
I would much rather have got Cody Ross instead of BJ this offseason i've always liked that guy.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:23 pm to Garcie10
Well, the problem is we needed a CF and Ross isn't much in CF. You can play him there, but it's pretty risky. They also needed a RH bat to spread out the lefty dominant lineup which gave us problems last year.
When you start looking at the CF pieces that did sign, it's ugly all around.
Angel Pagan got less money, but he's older and has been worse than BJ (going by Fangraphs WAR at least).
Michael Bourn got roughly the same money, but he's older and his defense hasn't been as good as year's past. But we maybe should have stuck with him.
Victorino has been good again, but he's playing LF in Boston and his CF defense went way down.
That was it, really. Those were the options, outside of shelling out for Shin-Soo Choo, which is what I wanted to do originally, but he's been awful on defense. However, his bat has been so good, probably worth the trade off.
In hindsight it's easy to say, "BJ Upton fricking sucks!" (and he definitely has), but at the time the signing probably made the most sense for the team. He was the only one who was A) Not starting his decline (in terms of age) B) Right handed C) Played CF.
When you start looking at the CF pieces that did sign, it's ugly all around.
Angel Pagan got less money, but he's older and has been worse than BJ (going by Fangraphs WAR at least).
Michael Bourn got roughly the same money, but he's older and his defense hasn't been as good as year's past. But we maybe should have stuck with him.
Victorino has been good again, but he's playing LF in Boston and his CF defense went way down.
That was it, really. Those were the options, outside of shelling out for Shin-Soo Choo, which is what I wanted to do originally, but he's been awful on defense. However, his bat has been so good, probably worth the trade off.
In hindsight it's easy to say, "BJ Upton fricking sucks!" (and he definitely has), but at the time the signing probably made the most sense for the team. He was the only one who was A) Not starting his decline (in terms of age) B) Right handed C) Played CF.
This post was edited on 8/1/13 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:39 pm to OBUDan
Can we freakin talk baseball w/out your douchee interpretations of "gotta". That's why I corrected to "have" on the next post...capeche?
Anyway, I clearly understand the business but there is a law of diminishing returns no matter HOW MUCH your paying someone. Hence the reason I ask the question regarding how long you stick with guy.
Are you saying you keep putting 'em in the lineup no matter what his numbers and for the length of the contract?
"BJ's defense is markedly better than Schafers"
Do what? This year? You sure about that? Schfer has been the better CF this year period. (Please, I know what BJ has done in the past)
"Schafer will be coming back because he cheap and contollable"
Huh? He signed 1 year minimum deal...You don't think some team looking for a real leadoff hitter and a solid CF'er wouldn't snatch 'em up?True leadoff hitters are at premium in MLB these days...
"Schafer has proven before to be awful"
He clearly has made adjustments and improveds game
something BJ has proved capable of not doing.
Anyway, I clearly understand the business but there is a law of diminishing returns no matter HOW MUCH your paying someone. Hence the reason I ask the question regarding how long you stick with guy.
Are you saying you keep putting 'em in the lineup no matter what his numbers and for the length of the contract?
"BJ's defense is markedly better than Schafers"
Do what? This year? You sure about that? Schfer has been the better CF this year period. (Please, I know what BJ has done in the past)
"Schafer will be coming back because he cheap and contollable"
Huh? He signed 1 year minimum deal...You don't think some team looking for a real leadoff hitter and a solid CF'er wouldn't snatch 'em up?True leadoff hitters are at premium in MLB these days...
"Schafer has proven before to be awful"
He clearly has made adjustments and improveds game
something BJ has proved capable of not doing.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:47 pm to RD Dawg
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but there is a law of diminishing returns
I don't think you know what this means...
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Are you saying you keep putting 'em in the lineup no matter what his numbers and for the length of the contract?
I'm saying that he will be in the lineup no matter what his numbers are for most of the length of his contract, yes.
What I would or wouldn't do, doesn't really matter.
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Do what? This year? You sure about that?
yeah, positive. Schafer is a miserable defender.
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Schfer has been the better CF this year period.
I don't see anyone arguing otherwise, but thanks for the emphasis.
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Huh? He signed 1 year minimum deal...You don't think some team looking for a real leadoff hitter and a solid CF'er wouldn't snatch 'em up?True leadoff hitters are at premium in MLB these days...
You clearly know very little about MLB contracts.
Schafer isn't eligible for FA unless we let him be. He's still in arbitration. So any team looking for a "real leadoff hitter and solid CF'er" can't snatch him up until 2017.
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He clearly has made adjustments and improveds game
He's made great improvedsments, I agree.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 3:20 pm to RD Dawg
Posted on 8/1/13 at 3:53 pm to OneMoreTime
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Yep. Kept waiting for him to come around as a Ray, but he never really did. Was pretty happy we didn't re-sign him, tbh
Very happy.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 5:00 pm to RD Dawg
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Huh? He signed 1 year minimum deal...You don't think some team looking for a real leadoff hitter and a solid CF'er wouldn't snatch 'em up?True leadoff hitters are at premium in MLB these days...
Posted on 8/1/13 at 5:55 pm to volfan30
BJ clearly reads TD.
He has 2 doubles tonight.
He has 2 doubles tonight.
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