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Simmons continues ragging on Pelicans...
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:17 am
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:17 am
Part of his giant annual comparison of NBA offseason moves to quotes from a movie (in this cae, Midnight Run)
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"Why would you do something that you know is not good for you?" "Because I don't think about it." "Well, that's living in denial."
To Milwaukee owner Herb Kohl and New Orleans owner Tom Benson, who seemingly share the same philosophy: Look, if you haven't noticed, I'm effing old. I don't have time for a big rebuilding project. No thanks. I want to make the playoffs every year and that's that!
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"You shut up! I'm not talkin' to you for the whole rest of this trip."
To Omer Asik, who asked for a trade shortly after Dwight signed (and was denied). Who else is enjoying a world in which Omer Asik's trade demands get tweeted immediately by multiple reporters? We all know what the right outcome is here: Adam Silver needs to step in and say, "Look, New Orleans, you already screwed up your team — just trade Ryan Anderson for Asik and Patrick Beverley so Harden, Anderson and Chandler Parsons can bomb wide-open 3s for 100 games. That's what everyone wants. We already saved your asses with the Chris Paul veto — you owe us."
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"You guys are the dumbest bounty hunters I've ever seen! You couldn't even deliver a bottle of milk!"
God, I just hated what the Horne— er, Pelicans did. Spending $44 million for four years on Tyreke Evans???????????9 Trading the no. 6 pick (Nerlens Noel) plus a top-three protected pick in the super-loaded 2014 draft for Jrue Holiday? For the next three years, they're paying more than $111 million to three guards (Holiday, Evans and Eric Gordon) who, for all we know, might not be able to play together. Where are you going with that strategy? And who in their right mind would rather pay $44 million for Evans when Millsap (a better player, hands down — it's not close) was sitting there for 40 percent of the price? Somehow, the 'Cans made the two summer moves I despised the most. Why give away two killer assets for Holiday over just keeping Greivis Vasquez (cheap contract) and signing a good backup like Nate Robinson? Or why not just try to sign Brandon Jennings and offer him slightly less than what Holiday is making? (Would you rather have Jennings, Noel and your 2014 pick … or Holiday? Come on.) Or why not save those assets to make a play for a better player down the road? Or why not just draft Noel, "struggle" for one more year, cherry-pick a stud from this monster 2014 draft, then make your move in 12 months? David Simon might have to revolve an entire Treme season around the 'Cans botching this summer. Er, the Pels.
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"Two dollars, that's all you're gonna leave?" "That's 15 percent." "No, that's 13 percent! These people depend on tips for a living."
To the great Arn Tellem, who orchestrated that ludicrous Tyreke contract AND got two more of his clients (Vasquez and Robin Lopez) traded to more favorable situations. How? He reps Anthony Davis, that's how. That's been an underrated subplot lately: Teams buttering up power agents by overpaying their fringe clients as down payments for future extensions with the ones they really want. Just call them "down-payment contracts."
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Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:22 am to THRILLHO
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How? He reps Anthony Davis, that's how. That's been an underrated subplot lately: Teams buttering up power agents by overpaying their fringe clients as down payments for future extensions with the ones they really want. Just call them "down-payment contracts."
I call BS on this
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:22 am to THRILLHO
He might not be wrong.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:26 am to THRILLHO
I for one would rather have Holiday than Jennings, Noel, and the 2014 pick. Also, it's top 5 protected, not top 3.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:27 am to THRILLHO
God, I hate Bill Simmons. Guy is a wormy little bastard.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:27 am to THRILLHO
The first one is sort of funny and sort of true.
Otherwise, the only legit point he has is
Of course, this is with the hindsight of knowing that Jennings only got 3/$24M. Could they have gotten him for 4/$36 while keeping Noel and the 2014 pick and would that be better in the long run? It's at least a worthy debate.
I like the Holiday move. I like the Evans move less, but still a fan. He completely ignores 2 big things: these are young players on moveable contracts if it doesn't work out and Eric Gordon is fully engaged with the team again.
Otherwise, the only legit point he has is
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Or why not just try to sign Brandon Jennings and offer him slightly less than what Holiday is making? (Would you rather have Jennings, Noel and your 2014 pick … or Holiday? Come on
Of course, this is with the hindsight of knowing that Jennings only got 3/$24M. Could they have gotten him for 4/$36 while keeping Noel and the 2014 pick and would that be better in the long run? It's at least a worthy debate.
I like the Holiday move. I like the Evans move less, but still a fan. He completely ignores 2 big things: these are young players on moveable contracts if it doesn't work out and Eric Gordon is fully engaged with the team again.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:31 am to THRILLHO
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And who in their right mind would rather pay $44 million for Evans when Millsap (a better player, hands down — it's not close) was sitting there for 40 percent of the price?
stupid
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Or why not just try to sign Brandon Jennings and offer him slightly less than what Holiday is making? (Would you rather have Jennings, Noel and your 2014 pick … or Holiday? Come on.)
legit
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That's been an underrated subplot lately: Teams buttering up power agents by overpaying their fringe clients as down payments for future extensions with the ones they really want. Just call them "down-payment contracts."
interesting
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:58 am to THRILLHO
Big talk from the nerdy little wimp who was too chicken to talk to Doc Rivers himself on the air and sent a women to ask him how Rivers felt about the worm's comments. He wanted to comment afterwards without retaliation because he is spineless and that is what he does, hide.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 10:04 am to THRILLHO
Oh, where to begin...
Um, if you haven't noticed, Bill, the Pelicans have sucked for 2 straight seasons. At some point when you rebuild you actually have to get better, or else you're the Wizards.
An all star guard and a quality starting caliber SG/SF, bith of whom are known commodities, over the next coming of Greg Odin and an undefined #1 draft choice that, given the history of this league, will probably be a bust? This is not th NFL. Unless you have a top 5 pick (Oh look Top 5 protected) a young veteran trumpps a draft pick every damn day of the week.
Yeah, because Millsap and Evans totally play the same position, so they are completely interchangeable. The Peilcans were upgrading depth in the backcourt, not spending money to spend money. This could be the dumbest thing I've ever heard Simmons say, and I really like him.
We did the Grevious Vasquez thing. We won 20 games. Can anyone in their right mind say they would rather have Vasquez ofer Jrue? If you have Nate Robinson and Grevious...Nate starts betwee that duo. Simmons way overrates Grevious because of his el cheapo contract.
Um, Holliday and I don't have to think about it all that hard. Jennings is not a charachter fit with this team (they have enough issues getting Gordon to behave..adding a high charachter guy like Jrue is great to help AD learn to lead thsi team). And, what better player down the road? All of this BS about how deep the 2014 draft will be is precicely that. Again, when it comes to rookies and drafts, we are way too NFL oriented when the NBA draft is a complete crapshoot.
Again, we have been purposefully sucking for 2 consecutaive seasons. We are not the Wizards. Plus, if everyone else goes on a tank fest for this supposed great 2014 draft class, then there will be wins to be had.
Well this sounds all nice and good, except one minor flaw in the logic. When AD comes up for his second contract, he will be a max guy. So it matter now what kind of maneuvering the agent did or didn't do, AD will make max money.
You have to understand how the NBA should work in Simmons' world. In his eyes, the Celtics and Lakers and Heat and Knicks and Bulls should do whatever they can to be great. Everyone else should sign only cheap contracts amd totally suck and try to get as many ping pong balls they can, because if they try to compete, then all they will amount to is being the Milwaukee Bucks.
In Simmons' world, its better to be the Bobcats or Wizards than the Bucks. The very worst thing you can be is the Bucks...he has said that numerous times. He doesn't think that any small or medium market team can ever be better than the Bucks without totally lucking out in the lottery.
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Look, if you haven't noticed, I'm effing old. I don't have time for a big rebuilding project. No thanks. I want to make the playoffs every year and that's that!
Um, if you haven't noticed, Bill, the Pelicans have sucked for 2 straight seasons. At some point when you rebuild you actually have to get better, or else you're the Wizards.
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God, I just hated what the Horne— er, Pelicans did. Spending $44 million for four years on Tyreke Evans???????????9 Trading the no. 6 pick (Nerlens Noel) plus a top-three protected pick in the super-loaded 2014 draft for Jrue Holiday?
An all star guard and a quality starting caliber SG/SF, bith of whom are known commodities, over the next coming of Greg Odin and an undefined #1 draft choice that, given the history of this league, will probably be a bust? This is not th NFL. Unless you have a top 5 pick (Oh look Top 5 protected) a young veteran trumpps a draft pick every damn day of the week.
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And who in their right mind would rather pay $44 million for Evans when Millsap (a better player, hands down — it's not close) was sitting there for 40 percent of the price?
Yeah, because Millsap and Evans totally play the same position, so they are completely interchangeable. The Peilcans were upgrading depth in the backcourt, not spending money to spend money. This could be the dumbest thing I've ever heard Simmons say, and I really like him.
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Why give away two killer assets for Holiday over just keeping Greivis Vasquez (cheap contract) and signing a good backup like Nate Robinson
We did the Grevious Vasquez thing. We won 20 games. Can anyone in their right mind say they would rather have Vasquez ofer Jrue? If you have Nate Robinson and Grevious...Nate starts betwee that duo. Simmons way overrates Grevious because of his el cheapo contract.
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(Would you rather have Jennings, Noel and your 2014 pick … or Holiday? Come on.) Or why not save those assets to make a play for a better player down the road?
Um, Holliday and I don't have to think about it all that hard. Jennings is not a charachter fit with this team (they have enough issues getting Gordon to behave..adding a high charachter guy like Jrue is great to help AD learn to lead thsi team). And, what better player down the road? All of this BS about how deep the 2014 draft will be is precicely that. Again, when it comes to rookies and drafts, we are way too NFL oriented when the NBA draft is a complete crapshoot.
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Or why not just draft Noel, "struggle" for one more year, cherry-pick a stud from this monster 2014 draft, then make your move in 12 months?
Again, we have been purposefully sucking for 2 consecutaive seasons. We are not the Wizards. Plus, if everyone else goes on a tank fest for this supposed great 2014 draft class, then there will be wins to be had.
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To the great Arn Tellem, who orchestrated that ludicrous Tyreke contract AND got two more of his clients (Vasquez and Robin Lopez) traded to more favorable situations. How? He reps Anthony Davis, that's how. That's been an underrated subplot lately: Teams buttering up power agents by overpaying their fringe clients as down payments for future extensions with the ones they really want. Just call them "down-payment contracts."
Well this sounds all nice and good, except one minor flaw in the logic. When AD comes up for his second contract, he will be a max guy. So it matter now what kind of maneuvering the agent did or didn't do, AD will make max money.
You have to understand how the NBA should work in Simmons' world. In his eyes, the Celtics and Lakers and Heat and Knicks and Bulls should do whatever they can to be great. Everyone else should sign only cheap contracts amd totally suck and try to get as many ping pong balls they can, because if they try to compete, then all they will amount to is being the Milwaukee Bucks.
In Simmons' world, its better to be the Bobcats or Wizards than the Bucks. The very worst thing you can be is the Bucks...he has said that numerous times. He doesn't think that any small or medium market team can ever be better than the Bucks without totally lucking out in the lottery.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 10:09 am to THRILLHO
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And who in their right mind would rather pay $44 million for Evans when Millsap (a better player, hands down — it's not close) was sitting there for 40 percent of the price?
Yes, we should have definitely gone after Millsap, a PF. It's not like 2 of our best players play that position already.
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Why give away two killer assets for Holiday over just keeping Greivis Vasquez (cheap contract) and signing a good backup like Nate Robinson?
Because Holiday is an All Star with elite defense while Vasquez is mediocre and couldn't stay in front of me?
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? Or why not just try to sign Brandon Jennings and offer him slightly less than what Holiday is making? (Would you rather have Jennings, Noel and your 2014 pick … or Holiday? Come on.)
Well, considering Jennings might be the most inefficient point guard in the league and is not the type of player that the winning teams give significant minutes, Noel may never be a decent player AND has a smaller frame than me AND won't play until December due to a catastrophic knee injury, and the best players supposedly available with that 2014 pick just graduated high school, I feel pretty good about having Holiday.
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Or why not just draft Noel, "struggle" for one more year, cherry-pick a stud from this monster 2014 draft, then make your move in 12 months?
The Bobcats, Kings, Wizards, and Raptors have shown that this is a flawless franchise model, right?
Posted on 7/31/13 at 10:23 am to THRILLHO
BS;DR
Posted on 7/31/13 at 1:47 pm to THRILLHO
nerlens noel is a larry sanders clone, he won't be the difference in a team being good or bad
Posted on 7/31/13 at 5:52 pm to THRILLHO
I wonder if Simmons realizes the only way we would be in the top end of the draft was by tanking again. We would have been stuck picking from 5-11 again and probably would have had to trade Gordon. On top of that, Benson would have fired Monty and possibly Dell, leaving us poorer for the deal. And Noel isn't going to be shite in the Association. He's Marcus Camby if Camby was 20 pounds lighter coming out of UMass and had already had a major knee injury. And I don't think Simmons realizes we already have our star player to build around in Anthony Davis.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:37 am to THRILLHO
Haters gonna hate
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