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Who was the better Coach, Dinardo vs. Archer, my first post
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:11 pm
Glad to be back in LA...my first post
Not sure there is a clear answer,
MA went 27-18-1 and 15-12 in SEC 1-1 in Bowls and won one SEC title (tie in 88)
GD was 33-24-1, 18-20-1, 3-0 in Bowls
Archer never was a head coach again (which may say something) while Dinardo got another HC job at IU. Both (I assume we agree) got fired from LSU for losing and losing control of the players and program. I think Archer had better talent, but even that is not clear. Like to hear other's thoughts as far as better college coach, better on field coach (not sure either did well in this), better recruiter and which had a more positive long term impact on LSU football.
Thanks
Not sure there is a clear answer,
MA went 27-18-1 and 15-12 in SEC 1-1 in Bowls and won one SEC title (tie in 88)
GD was 33-24-1, 18-20-1, 3-0 in Bowls
Archer never was a head coach again (which may say something) while Dinardo got another HC job at IU. Both (I assume we agree) got fired from LSU for losing and losing control of the players and program. I think Archer had better talent, but even that is not clear. Like to hear other's thoughts as far as better college coach, better on field coach (not sure either did well in this), better recruiter and which had a more positive long term impact on LSU football.
Thanks
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Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:13 pm to lsuallsportsfan
Hard to say, actually. I think Dinardo may be the better coach. If he were here today with the talent we have now, he'd be much, much better than he was in the 90's.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:22 pm to lsuallsportsfan
Congrats on losing virginity
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:22 pm to lsuallsportsfan
Great 1st post 
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:23 pm to lsuallsportsfan
quote:frick you asshat
my first post
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:28 pm to lsuallsportsfan
Tough call...Archer I'd say.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:29 pm to lsuallsportsfan
no contest. Dinardo was the better coach.
Archer was a program destroyer, pretty much. DiNardo at least raised the talent and performance of the team out of the darkest period in history.
Archer was a very solid X&O's defensive guy. He just had absolutely no business running a program. And he was the worst recruiter of all-time LSU history bar none.
Archer was a program destroyer, pretty much. DiNardo at least raised the talent and performance of the team out of the darkest period in history.
Archer was a very solid X&O's defensive guy. He just had absolutely no business running a program. And he was the worst recruiter of all-time LSU history bar none.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:45 pm to lsuallsportsfan
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Not sure there is a clear answer,
It's no contest for DiNardo. Recruiting is far and away the most important part of college coaching and DiNardo could recruit. He left Saban with some decent talent. When Hallman took over for Archer, the talent at LSU was embarrassingly low.
Where you could debate is who was worse out of Archer and Hallman, but DiNardo was much, much better than either.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:02 pm to lsuallsportsfan
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and which had a more positive long term impact on LSU football.
Coach Dinardo reminded the fanbase, after the 89-94 nadir, that there is such a thing as Magic in Tiger Stadium, got Faulk, began getting our best in-state recruits, and laid down a foundation Saban built a mansion on.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:07 pm to lsuallsportsfan
DiNardo hands down.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:11 pm to lsuallsportsfan
Dinardo.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:19 pm to lsuallsportsfan
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(tie in 88)
Yeah, with AU who we beat and were still tied then they go to SB!
But GD was good for bring the magic back but every other week!
MA was too much a players buddy/coach and young.
I say GD hands down except when hired Lou!
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:20 pm to lsuallsportsfan
Dinardo and its not close. He still gets overlooked for bringing LSU back to decency. Signing of Kevin Faulk was the groundwork for the golden age of LSU football that we are still enjoying. That showed what LSU could be with the in state talent and had a lot to do with Saban wanting to come here. He left a decent amount of undisciplined talent when he left.
Archer is not a bad coach now but he was nowhere near ready for the LSU job at the time. I think he was like 34 and that was unheard of at the time. He pretty much did the opposite of Dinardo, taking the program from good to terrible and seemed to prefer out of state talent over in state when it was available.
Archer is not a bad coach now but he was nowhere near ready for the LSU job at the time. I think he was like 34 and that was unheard of at the time. He pretty much did the opposite of Dinardo, taking the program from good to terrible and seemed to prefer out of state talent over in state when it was available.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:26 pm to lsuallsportsfan
Purely as a head coach, Dinardo was better. He had been a successful head coach at Vandy - he was not able to repeat his success over the first 3 years at LSU, but did a marvelous job of turning around a program in steep decline, and did a fairly decent rebuilding job - as we often have to remind the Sabanistas - Saban definitely did not have to start from square 1 - his improvements were tangible in the facilities and in mindset, but the much of the purely football foundation was already in place in 2000, thanks in large part to Dinardo's tenure.
From an Xs and Os standpoint, there is little question Archer was the better coach. He coached DBs at Miami(FL) and LSU. He coached linebackers for the Steelers for 6 years - 6 pretty good years for them at the position. He coordinated excellent defenses at LSU. I would take him today as a LBer coach, and perhaps even a DC in a pinch.
Again, as a dose of perspective - Mike Archer is younger than Nick Saban and only a few weeks older than Les Miles - yet was head coach at LSU in 1990.
From an Xs and Os standpoint, there is little question Archer was the better coach. He coached DBs at Miami(FL) and LSU. He coached linebackers for the Steelers for 6 years - 6 pretty good years for them at the position. He coordinated excellent defenses at LSU. I would take him today as a LBer coach, and perhaps even a DC in a pinch.
Again, as a dose of perspective - Mike Archer is younger than Nick Saban and only a few weeks older than Les Miles - yet was head coach at LSU in 1990.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 7:29 pm to lsuallsportsfan
Dinardo took a sunk ship and refloated it....
Archer took an sec champion ship and sunk it.....
Saban got it going full steam
Archer took an sec champion ship and sunk it.....
Saban got it going full steam
Posted on 6/22/13 at 9:00 am to lsuallsportsfan
Dinardo by a long shot....Archer set LSU program so far back i was afraid it would never emerge as a national or SEC power again...worst coach in LSU history if not NCAA football overall!!!!
Posted on 6/22/13 at 9:13 am to lsuallsportsfan
Dinardo...and it's not really close considering who they followed. If Dinardo would've never hired Tepper he may have eventually won a NC
Posted on 6/22/13 at 10:41 am to lsuallsportsfan
Never bother posting again.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 11:47 am to lsuallsportsfan
Archer won with Arnsparger's players for two years and then the bottom fell out.
At least Dinardo built his own success before the bottom fell out on him.
At least Dinardo built his own success before the bottom fell out on him.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 11:59 am to lsuallsportsfan
I loved Mike Archer. Great person. Did not hace the coaching ability, but a wonderful dad and friend
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