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55 grain vs 85 grain ballistic tip
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:53 am
I have the chance to get both. Why would one need 85 grain ballistic tip 5.56 round? Wouldn't the 55 grain satisfy home defense(dear god hope it does not come to that) and hunting?
I guess you could hunt white tails more effectively with an 85 grain BT....
I am a novice so any advice /remarks would be appreciated
I guess you could hunt white tails more effectively with an 85 grain BT....
I am a novice so any advice /remarks would be appreciated
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:56 am to jdwyer
They make 85 grain ballistic tip? I've never seen ballistic tips higher than 60 grain, all the heavier bullets I see are soft point or HP.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:58 am to jdwyer
I think BT means boat tail, not ballistic tip. I could be wrong though
Posted on 5/14/13 at 9:01 am to jdwyer
IMO you need to use two seperate rounds for hunting and self defense. You want more penetration from your hunting round than your defensive round.
I'd get a pretty heavy soft point for hunting and a light hollow point for self defense. I'm sure somebody else has some more specific suggestions
I'd get a pretty heavy soft point for hunting and a light hollow point for self defense. I'm sure somebody else has some more specific suggestions
Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:02 am to jdwyer
55gr is pretty light for deer, as is 85gr, IMHO. I know you can kill them with a 40gr .22 round, but those ballistic tips are frangible and tend to explode on impact. Heck, I thought I was going light with the 117gr for my .257 Robts.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:04 am to jdwyer
Unless you have a higher twist rate, 1:7 vs 1:9 in your barrel, you wont benefit from a grain that high.
This post was edited on 5/14/13 at 10:07 am
Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:07 am to Mung
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I thought I was going light with the 117gr for my .257 Robts
That is light but it works well in .25 caliber stuff for some reason.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:08 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
speed. Most 25 calibers if I'm not mistaken are flat shooters that are fast as hell.
This post was edited on 5/14/13 at 10:11 am
Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:46 am to TigerTatorTots
You are correct
Posted on 5/14/13 at 11:57 am to jdwyer
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55 grain vs 85 grain ballistic tip
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I have the chance to get both. Why would one need 85 grain ballistic tip 5.56 round? Wouldn't the 55 grain satisfy home defense(dear god hope it does not come to that) and hunting?
JD,
I've never heard of Nosler making an 85 grain 22 caliber bullet, Ballistic Tip or otherwise. Just did a quick Google search to check; the heaviest 22 caliber bullet made by Nosler is a 77 gr Boat Tail Hollow Point Match bullet. This is a competitive, not hunting bullet. It's made for long range shooting w/ 5.56 or 223 Rem w/ a special twist barrel.
If the 85 grain bullet you're referring to is a Ballistic Tip, it's a caliber other than 22/5.56.
I've killed one deer w/ an 85 gr Ballistic Tip in a 250 Savage, but I wasn't impressed.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 12:08 pm to Mung
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55gr is pretty light for deer, as is 85gr, IMHO. I know you can kill them with a 40gr .22 round, but those ballistic tips are frangible and tend to explode on impact. Heck, I thought I was going light with the 117gr for my .257 Robts.
30-06 125 grain Nosler Ballistic tip 3200 fps at muzzle taken from a doe shot at 125 yards, traveled two feet through the body cavity long ways after striking a rib on entry taken from a hind quarter.
Frangible is not the correct word to describe that.
That said, I wouldn't recommend them for the .223 if you are hunting with it because you are going to want a heavier bullet for whitetails and it's already got the fast expansion.
Frangible it aint.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 1:57 pm to faxis
nice. amazing the way it held together. Nosler calls everything under 90gr "varmint", so I think they blow up in the smaller calibers.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:04 pm to 4WHLN
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Unless you have a higher twist rate, 1:7 vs 1:9 in your barrel, you wont benefit from a grain that high.
This is correct. The higher grain round may actually cause the bullet to cavitate. You can tell if you are shooting a round your barrel cannot handle if the paper appears torn in anything but a perfect circle when you shoot it.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:05 pm to jdwyer
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Wouldn't the 55 grain satisfy home defense(dear god hope it does not come to that)
Maybe. Depends on whether the bullet penetrates deep enough to get to the vitals.
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and hunting?
I don't fall into the group of hunters who advocate using high velocity 22 centerfires (223, 22-250, etc.) on big game such as deer. IF (and that's a BIG IF) I had to use a 22 centerfire on a deer hunt, I'd use a bullet designed for deer. The 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip is not designed for deer hunting; it's a varmint hunting bullet. I've shot a bunch of prairie dogs w/ 22 cal Nosler BT's over the years. Believe me when I say they're very fragile.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:35 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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The 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip is not designed for deer hunting; it's a varmint hunting bullet.
But the Nosler Partition is. My son has killed 4 deer with .223 Noslers and all had large exit wounds and dropped immediately. I have shot 2 deer with 155gr 30-06 rounds and both ran over 40 yards before dying. Both took out the heart and at least one lung and there was no exit wound. Needless to say I have gone back to the 165gr that I have used my entire life. If the correct round is employed a .223 is sufficient.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:48 pm to DanTiger
Dan,
True, but the OP made no menion of the 22 cal NP.
As I mentioned, I recognize there are a lot of folks who advocate deer hunting w/ 22 cal centerfires. I am not one of them. You have reasons and experiences that have lead you to feel otherwise. Although I've seen some monumental successes like your son's, I've seen some monumental failures, as well. It's not my intention the open up that can of worms and steal the thread; I do recommend to the OP that there are MUCH better deer hunting rounds than the 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Point.
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But the Nosler Partition is.
True, but the OP made no menion of the 22 cal NP.
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If the correct round is employed a .223 is sufficient.
As I mentioned, I recognize there are a lot of folks who advocate deer hunting w/ 22 cal centerfires. I am not one of them. You have reasons and experiences that have lead you to feel otherwise. Although I've seen some monumental successes like your son's, I've seen some monumental failures, as well. It's not my intention the open up that can of worms and steal the thread; I do recommend to the OP that there are MUCH better deer hunting rounds than the 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Point.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:54 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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I do recommend to the OP that there are MUCH better deer hunting rounds than the 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Point.
I agree with this statement.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:38 pm to DanTiger
My thought had always been if you trying to get a certain performance out of a caliber and go to the extreme end of the calibers grain( High or low) then look at getting a different gun and caliber. For example people wanting to shoot a 85 grain bullet out of a .223 should just get a .243. Same thing goes for a person wanting to shoot a light bullet close to 4000 fps in a .243 should just get a 22/250. I just feel that a caliber performs its best in the middle of its range. I've stuck with this from a .223 to a 300 win mag and its always worked well for me.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:29 am to Rize
I agree with this.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 7:40 am to faxis
If you plan on using it in a ar take note that alot of bullets heavier then the 80gr bergers are too long for ar mags.
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