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re: Who was the bigger 1st round reach-EJ or Tebow?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:40 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:40 am to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:Not true at all.
Had Luke Joeckel at #11.
McShay put him at #11 and explained it that he was going #1/#2 or someone is coming up the get him.
Damn.
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Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:47 am to tylercsbn9
Is Tebow still in the league? Serious question.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:51 am to drizztiger
quote:
Not true at all.
McShay put him at #11 and explained it that he was going #1/#2 or someone is coming up the get him.
Damn.
That's an incredibly poor explanation on his part. Dion Jordan was still the 3rd pick even though Miami traded up to get him. He wasn't picked 12th, then TRADED to Oakland.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:57 am to CGSC Lobotomy
EJ doesn't have massive arms to screw up his throwing mechanics.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:58 am to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:You didn't watch pre-draft coverage I know.
That's an incredibly poor explanation on his part. Dion Jordan was still the 3rd pick even though Miami traded up to get him. He wasn't picked 12th, then TRADED to Oakland.
McShay went side by side with Kiper and McShay put him at #11 on purpose.
You're just misinformed. McShay in no way disparaged him or thought he would go #11. It was a stupid ESPN thing.
ETA: I'm not a Mcshay fan at all. It's just the wrong thing to get pissed at. Just sayin.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 1:00 am
Posted on 4/26/13 at 7:32 am to tylercsbn9
How are people saying EJ? We already know Tebow is a failure.
Unless you are more than certain of the failure of EJ than it makes zero sense to think he was the bigger reach.
Unless you are more than certain of the failure of EJ than it makes zero sense to think he was the bigger reach.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 7:33 am
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:03 am to taylork37
quote:
How are people saying EJ?
Because this board knows more than NFL GMs who spend hundreds of hours dissecting tape and have been around the game their entire lives.
Bottom line is that EJ is talented enough to have been the first pick last night. His potential is through the roof, he had a phenomenal combine, and a great career at FSU.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 8:07 am
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:05 am to Zee Nuts
quote:
EJ.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:06 am to SpartyGator
There is no chance you can honestly say Tebow was not a bigger reach 
And this has nothing to do with UF/FSU.
And this has nothing to do with UF/FSU.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:07 am to TheOcean
quote:
There is no chance you can honestly say Tebow was not a bigger reach
they're both reaches, to be honest
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And this has nothing to do with UF/FSU.
i'm sure it doesn't
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:10 am to TheOcean
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Bottom line is that EJ is talented enough to have been the first pick last night.
Whoa now.
I agree that Tebow was a bigger reach and EJ has a ton of potential but first pick? Nah
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:12 am to SpartyGator
I actually don't mind Tebow at all.
As far as EJ - there was a ton of non-ESPN talk about him going in the first round. I expected him to go in the late first, but if the Bills were set on a QB in the first, I could see why they went with EJ.
I really don't think he was that big of a reach. Of course ESPN will say the bills should get an F for that pick, but Kiper also had him at the 103rd pick.
As far as EJ - there was a ton of non-ESPN talk about him going in the first round. I expected him to go in the late first, but if the Bills were set on a QB in the first, I could see why they went with EJ.
I really don't think he was that big of a reach. Of course ESPN will say the bills should get an F for that pick, but Kiper also had him at the 103rd pick.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:12 am to Srbtiger06
I'm saying he has enough talent/potential to have been the first pick. Not that he should have gone first last night.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 8:13 am
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:17 am to TheOcean
quote:
I'm saying he has enough talent/potential to have been the first pick.
Yeah, so did JaBARFus Russell.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:18 am to TheOcean
Fair enough, man.
This whole class, not just EJ, isn't that impressive to me at all, though.
I'm not trying to pile on FSU here (I'm sure you think otherwise), either.
This whole class, not just EJ, isn't that impressive to me at all, though.
I'm not trying to pile on FSU here (I'm sure you think otherwise
), either.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:18 am to TheOcean
quote:
Because this board knows more than NFL GMs who spend hundreds of hours dissecting tape and have been around the game their entire lives.
While I get the sentiment, a cursory glance at NFL draft history shows teams don't always know what they are doing either just because they have the gig. Nobody knows anything, and I don't think we should defer to a guy just because he's an NFL GM. There's plenty of incompetent GM's. Now, will I defer to Ozzie Newsome? Of course. But I don't think its out of bounds to be skeptical of a team run as poorly as the Bills.
That said, I think Manuel was the best QB in this draft (which says a lot about this draft). He was the best bad option, and the Bills desperately need a QB. I don't think it's quite the disaster some think it is because at least Manuel produced in college, something only about half of the first rounders can honestly say.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:21 am to Baloo
quote:
While I get the sentiment, a cursory glance at NFL draft history shows teams don't always know what they are doing either just because they have the gig.
That's just the nature of the beast.
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Nobody knows anything, and I don't think we should defer to a guy just because he's an NFL GM.
You honestly don't believe that individual NFL teams are in the best positions to evaluate draft picks?
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He was the best bad option, and the Bills desperately need a QB.
100% agreed. It was a weak draft and the only reason why EJ went in the first. I just don't believe he was a reach.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:22 am to Baloo
For the most part, I think you're right. I also agree with your point on the Bills given how they haven't had much success over the recent years.
I admit I've gotten caught up emotionally on draft night
I admit I've gotten caught up emotionally on draft night
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:30 am to TheOcean
quote:
You honestly don't believe that individual NFL teams are in the best positions to evaluate draft picks?
I think teams get subjected to groupthink and the inherent biases that come from working in any profession. And this draft was VERY "toolsy". It's like teams drafted straight off combine numbers and essentially threw out tape of how guys played in actual games.
While there's definite problems in making a direct comp to the pro and college game, I can think of no other industry in which prior job performance is so cavalierly dismissed.
"Oh, you were completely ineffective at your previous employer doing essentially the same job, yet you crushed our pre-employment testing. Here, have a bucket of money."
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