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re: OB: An old friend of mines manslaughter trial starts today
Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:11 pm to choupiquesushi
Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:11 pm to choupiquesushi
in mississippi you just have to "feel" threatened. they dont even have to be in your home, if they come in my driveway and feel threatened i have the right to defend my property
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Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:21 pm to oleyeller
I REALLY wish LA had enhanced carry...
Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:52 pm to bapple
quote:
I REALLY wish LA had enhanced carry...
What would that entail? Serious question. I know very little about CC'ing as I bounce around from state to state working and would quickly tire of keeping up with all the differing state laws
Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:57 pm to braindeadboxer
here in mississippi...
reagular concealed carry
• CAN NOT carry in a Courtroom or Law Enforcement Office or detention center.
• CAN NOT carry in Polling Place or meeting of the Government.
• CAN NOT carry at any School, College or Athletic Event.
• CAN NOT carry at establishment or portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises primarily devoted to such purpose .
• CAN NOT carry inside the passenger terminal of any airport .
• CAN NOT carry in any church or other place of worship.
• CAN NOT carry any place prohibited by federal law.
• CAN NOT carry where Private Business displays “NO FIREARMS” signage
CAN NOT carry in Parades where permits are required.
and with Enhanced Carry Permit here are only limitations
• CAN NOT carry in courtrooms during a judicial proceeding .
• CAN NOT carry in any police, sheriff or highway patrol station or any detention facility, prison or jail.
• CAN NOT carry any place prohibited by federal law.
so even if they have a sign that says no firearms.. if you have enhanced... you trump their sign
reagular concealed carry
• CAN NOT carry in a Courtroom or Law Enforcement Office or detention center.
• CAN NOT carry in Polling Place or meeting of the Government.
• CAN NOT carry at any School, College or Athletic Event.
• CAN NOT carry at establishment or portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises primarily devoted to such purpose .
• CAN NOT carry inside the passenger terminal of any airport .
• CAN NOT carry in any church or other place of worship.
• CAN NOT carry any place prohibited by federal law.
• CAN NOT carry where Private Business displays “NO FIREARMS” signage
CAN NOT carry in Parades where permits are required.
and with Enhanced Carry Permit here are only limitations
• CAN NOT carry in courtrooms during a judicial proceeding .
• CAN NOT carry in any police, sheriff or highway patrol station or any detention facility, prison or jail.
• CAN NOT carry any place prohibited by federal law.
so even if they have a sign that says no firearms.. if you have enhanced... you trump their sign
Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:59 pm to braindeadboxer
quote:
What would that entail?
Well in MS, it isn't all that difficult to get a regular CC permit.
But, there is a full 9 hour class for "enhanced" carry and it basically enables you to carry in quite a few "gun-free zones" compared to other states.
For example, under state law, a student with the proper enhanced permit (21 years or older too, of course) would be allowed to carry on school campuses. Now, the grey area is that carrying is probably against school policy, even though it isn't against the law. So if the school caught you, they would probably dismiss you, but you wouldn't face any criminal charges.
I'm not a MS resident but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:59 pm to oleyeller
That would be great in LA
Posted on 4/22/13 at 8:20 pm to 007mag
Playing Devil's advocate
Is it possible they planned this out because of some custody issues not disclosed in the article? Why would they arrest him for obviously defending his family with witness corroboration by their very own radio dispatcher unless there were inconsistencies in the story.
quote:Apparently no sign of forced entry
Hall knocked on a locked — but apparently improperly closed door — and then entered the couple’s home.
quote:Why call him? Just scream through the door. Unless he wasn't really outside the door.
she first heard a loud banging at the front door. She looked out the window and saw what she believed to be Michael Hall’s vehicle parked outside. She then checked her phone and saw that she had eight missed calls from Hall, all of which occurred within an eight-minute time span. She said she called Michael Hall
quote:Raging psycho lunatic that's beating on the door answers telephone "hello"
then heard someone say “hello” from the front door
quote:Attorney knows he can use the media to stir public opinion without rebuttals
“He’s in his home. His wife’s been attacked. Someone’s committed a felony by coming into his home … It falls under the three separate areas of the (justifiable homicide) statute as I see it,” Alonzo said.
“We do not engage in any out-of-court discussion regarding pending litigation, and to do so would not be appropriate under prosecutorial ethics,” Trosclair said.
quote:to his knowledge there was no struggle.
my brother was unarmed and, to my knowledge, there was no struggle whatsoever.
quote:Obviously the version they heard couldn't have been this onesided.
A grand jury charged him a little less than a year later with manslaughter, which carries a sentence of up to 40 years.
Is it possible they planned this out because of some custody issues not disclosed in the article? Why would they arrest him for obviously defending his family with witness corroboration by their very own radio dispatcher unless there were inconsistencies in the story.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 8:33 pm to 007mag
He assaulted the wife and the defendant. When he did that, everything else was rendered moot.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 8:48 pm to 007mag
quote:
Hall knocked on a locked — but apparently improperly closed door — and then entered the couple’s home.
quote:
Apparently no sign of forced entry
So it is ok with you if somebody comes into your house without being invited in, as long as they don't force their way into the house?
Whether the door was improperly closed and he opened it, or he kicked the door in, it doesn't matter. He still came into the house without permission.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 9:01 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
quote:
Hall was 5 inches taller and weighed 75 pounds more than Jason Rolls
quote:
Should have no influence over the decision anyways. I font care if its a midget that breaks into my house and starts to assault me. He will be stopped.
Based on Louisiana's justifiable homicide statute (RS 14:20), your position, and those posted by others should have merit.
But there was a very similar case in Rayville a couple of years ago .. in that case it was the ex-wife who barged in, after driving through the front yard up to the front steps, and attacked the "new" wife. Hubby grabbed a rifle and shot the former wife.
Hubby was convicted of murder, and is in prison. He appealed and lost (La. Second Circuit Court of Appeals).
The Rayville case involved some fairly prominent families. Go figure.
This post was edited on 4/22/13 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 4/22/13 at 9:08 pm to dawg23
Hmm, trying to figure who you are talking about. I dont remember this.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 9:46 pm to dawg23
That is seriously twisted. I thought laws were supposed to defend law abiding citizens? Sucks bad for that dude...
Posted on 4/22/13 at 10:13 pm to braindeadboxer
quote:
Yea the ex was apparently pissed that the kids might have been moving away due to Jason being in the service. He may have been a good guy up until that point, but he lost his head
I don't know what I would do in that firefighters situation. I would just about prefer death to not being able to be there for my kids.
I don't know what caused that woman to leave her man, but shite like this is why you don't enter into marriage and kids lightly.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 10:35 pm to PresidentialPerch
quote:
Hmm, trying to figure who you are talking about. I dont remember this.
As I think about it more, the original shooting was be older than two years -- the appellate ruling was handed down (I think) in late 2011.
Lemme look at my files, and I'll post a link.
Edited to add:
OK -- found it.
State of Louisiana v. Bobby Ray Ingram.
Shooting took place October 18, 2006.
Was charged with second degree murder, convicted of manslaughter, and sentenced to 28 years at hard labor.
2nd Circuit Final ruling handed down June 22, 2011.
LINK to Appellate Ruling
This post was edited on 4/22/13 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 4/22/13 at 10:36 pm to dawg23
Posted on 4/22/13 at 10:37 pm to 007mag
your devils advocate
came in home, unwanted, uninvited, treapassing.. he dead. nothing else to see here
quote:
quote: Hall knocked on a locked — but apparently improperly closed door — and then entered the couple’s home.
came in home, unwanted, uninvited, treapassing.. he dead. nothing else to see here
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:39 am to oleyeller
Sorry I had to leave last night after posting but something came up. 
Hypotheticals:
1)Someone is banging loudly on your front door. Do you lay on the couch and let your wife go look outside, get a cell phone, check missed calls, call ex husband and then get assaulted by ex husband without getting up to see WTF is going on.
2)You're highly pissed and ready to kick some serious butt. Do you open the door, whether locked or not, like a pansy or do you kick it in using your special firefighter door smashing skills?
3) With young kids in your family, do you just leave your loaded gun lying in the living room even if they're not home?
Maybe the whole thing was staged to look like self defense in order to murder the ex and gain sole cutody of the kids and move them wherever they pleased.
quote:Maybe he wasn't uninvited
Apparently no sign of forced entry
quote:Yet Rolls was able to escape and plant one round squarely in the chest
Hall was 5 inches taller and weighed 75 pounds more than Jason Rolls
quote:Maybe he was going to have the courts prevent her from moving with the kids. Surely if his family is influential enough to get someone charged with murder they have enough influence to keep his kids near home. Plus I'm not sure to what degree custody influences one's ability to relocate children. After all he was a good guy up until that night so wouldn't it stand to reason he'd have equal custody.
Yea the ex was apparently pissed that the kids might have been moving away due to Jason being in the service. He may have been a good guy up until that point, but he lost his head
Hypotheticals:
1)Someone is banging loudly on your front door. Do you lay on the couch and let your wife go look outside, get a cell phone, check missed calls, call ex husband and then get assaulted by ex husband without getting up to see WTF is going on.
2)You're highly pissed and ready to kick some serious butt. Do you open the door, whether locked or not, like a pansy or do you kick it in using your special firefighter door smashing skills?
3) With young kids in your family, do you just leave your loaded gun lying in the living room even if they're not home?
Maybe the whole thing was staged to look like self defense in order to murder the ex and gain sole cutody of the kids and move them wherever they pleased.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:45 am to 007mag
quote:
1)Someone is banging loudly on your front door. Do you lay on the couch and let your wife go look outside, get a cell phone, check missed calls, call ex husband and then get assaulted by ex husband without getting up to see WTF is going on.
Both could've heard the loud banging, and figured since the door was locked, he wasn't getting in and the situation would just take care of itself and he would leave.
quote:
2)You're highly pissed and ready to kick some serious butt. Do you open the door, whether locked or not, like a pansy or do you kick it in using your special firefighter door smashing skills?
Maybe he wasn't to that point yet, but since the door was "improperly closed," he didnt need to.
quote:
3) With young kids in your family, do you just leave your loaded gun lying in the living room even if they're not home?
Maybe he has a CCW or was out in his yard/woods (I dont know the area) where possibly snakes are prevalent and he was carrying. He comes in, sits on the couch, and sets his gun on the end table.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:45 am to braindeadboxer
It wouldn't have mattered to me if he was assaulting me or my wife. The minute he came in without permission I would have assumed he meant to do harm and would have shot him.
Castle domain if you ask me.
Castle domain if you ask me.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 8:48 am to bulldog95
That man did the right thing.
So many people own guns but are completely ignorant as to where & when they actually require use.
I can't tell you how many people I've talked to that would say in a similar situation, they would pull their weapon and stand there in a Hollywood standdown until the person left.
Bottom line: you pull a weapon, you best be prepared to kill.
Kudos to that guy. I hope he gets off.
So many people own guns but are completely ignorant as to where & when they actually require use.
I can't tell you how many people I've talked to that would say in a similar situation, they would pull their weapon and stand there in a Hollywood standdown until the person left.
Bottom line: you pull a weapon, you best be prepared to kill.
Kudos to that guy. I hope he gets off.
This post was edited on 4/23/13 at 8:53 am
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