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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:51 am to LSU Coyote
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:51 am to LSU Coyote
Well then he'd have two of them 
That's his current build. That reminds me -- he replaced a 970 chipset board a while back because the VRMs were overheating and throttling the CPU. Someone on the tech board recently posted that he bought a 970 chipset/8350 build from his friend, and it's running like shite because the seller tried to OC the CPU and permanently damaged something.
That's his current build. That reminds me -- he replaced a 970 chipset board a while back because the VRMs were overheating and throttling the CPU. Someone on the tech board recently posted that he bought a 970 chipset/8350 build from his friend, and it's running like shite because the seller tried to OC the CPU and permanently damaged something.
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Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:06 pm to ILikeLSUToo
quote:This all day
Well then he'd have two of them
But thanks for the offer.
quote:Oh boy...the troubleshooting alone made me want to pull my hair out. And I'm sure I drove you nuts with random messages for two weeks "Maybe if, it could be..."
Someone on the tech board recently posted that he bought a 970 chipset/8350 build from his friend, and it's running like shite because the seller tried to OC the CPU and permanently damaged something.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:13 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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the tech board
Bet that board pisses you off?
Personally, I can not visit it. Haven't viewed a thread there since maybe even the grand opening.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:20 pm to LSU Coyote
It's gotten better. Still a lot of "I need a cheap laptop" and "What's wrong with my internet/router/tv/pc" threads, but I don't mind helping. It's the people who assert things that are flat out wrong that irritate me the most.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:48 pm to ILikeLSUToo
Newegg is dead to me, now. They took the CPU back, tested it - said nothing about that, but said I didn't include the UPC. I sent them everything they sent me, so it must not have been on the box.
SO, I will be Amazon only from now on. ILike was right again. (I know you don't take any particular, perverse pleasure in being correct, but I thought you'd like to know.)
SO, I will be Amazon only from now on. ILike was right again. (I know you don't take any particular, perverse pleasure in being correct, but I thought you'd like to know.)
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:53 pm to Ace Midnight
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Newegg is dead to me
They will deny an RMA for anything they can think of or make up.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:08 pm to Ace Midnight
Yes, it's the primary reason I consider newegg to be last resort for most things now, and I still try to avoid buying parts that can fail. I rarely need to return things, but I like having Amazon's return policy just in case. Literally all you have to do is make a few clicks and print a label, and for a defective item, Amazon will even have UPS pick it up from your house for free.
How could the UPC be missing? It's going to be one of those barcodes on the big white sticker:
I may take a little pleasure in finding out I was right about the CPU not being the issue, but I'm not 100% confident about it either, simply because Skylake faced production issues and Intel may have rushed the first couple of batches to appease retailers.
So, if Newegg won't take it back, you could attempt an RMA with Intel. Or, more unethically... you could order one on Amazon and switch it out for the return. Amazon doesn't test returned hardware. Or, if they do, they definitely don't say anything about it.
Could you find out from newegg if the CPU was confirmed to be faulty? If it tested fine, you may save some headache by moving on to the motherboard.
How could the UPC be missing? It's going to be one of those barcodes on the big white sticker:
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ILike was right again. (I know you don't take any particular, perverse pleasure in being correct, but I thought you'd like to know.)
I may take a little pleasure in finding out I was right about the CPU not being the issue, but I'm not 100% confident about it either, simply because Skylake faced production issues and Intel may have rushed the first couple of batches to appease retailers.
So, if Newegg won't take it back, you could attempt an RMA with Intel. Or, more unethically... you could order one on Amazon and switch it out for the return. Amazon doesn't test returned hardware. Or, if they do, they definitely don't say anything about it.
Could you find out from newegg if the CPU was confirmed to be faulty? If it tested fine, you may save some headache by moving on to the motherboard.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:20 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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So, if Newegg won't take it back, you could attempt an RMA with Intel.
I'm probably going to do that.
I asked them about the results of the testing, but I kind of went roundabout with it. They had it tagged as "inspection" the past couple of days - and I don' think it took that long to confirm "no UPC". I bought another motherboard (from Amazon) - if the CPU is bad, I'd hate to combine it with a good MB, so I probably will buy a new CPU from Amazon. If Intel says the Newegg one is good (which means the MB is bad), then I'll be a Skylake processor ahead on a new build.
My HTPC will have a smokin' CPU if that's the case.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:22 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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How could the UPC be missing? It's going to be one of those barcodes on the big white sticker:
If you recall the locked one I bought accidentally, it definitely had that big sticker on it. But it was a big Intel box with a stock cooler enclosed. The 6700k box was thin and I don't recall that huge sticker when it came in - it had a small white sticker, if at all.
But that's how they sent it to me. I guess that's a new Newegg tactic - send it without a bar code and then they'll never have to take it back.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:36 pm to Ace Midnight
Having two working CPUs will be fun for overclockability comparisons, especially if the batch numbers are far enough apart.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:31 pm to ILikeLSUToo
I'm a little concerned about the mechanism of failure - I have to conclude that, out of the box, all parts were working at least nominally. I never wrote anything to the spinner - attempts to reinstall the O/S from the installation disk failed, as did alternative media (USB) - which eliminates:
SSD
Windows 10 disk
Optical drive
HDD
What remains:
Improper HSF installation (I'm not ruling anything out - but what are the odds I failed twice? - and one would think I would have had higher temps or some indication of trouble at the bios screen -)
Both memory sticks could be bad.
Something on the MB, perhaps a PCIe failure or other bus failure.
CPU - most likely in the cache
I will do an extra careful installation of the HSF. I think I will run memtest with both sticks if the thing will boot to Freedos (which it likely will, as it did in the bad configuration before).
If they clear Memtest - then I'm left with CPU or MB, right?
ETA: Power Supply - I bought a tester and it should be in by the weekend. I did not think of that as a potential problem until I did more research into MCEs - and, btw, I've never experienced an MCE before this build.
SSD
Windows 10 disk
Optical drive
HDD
What remains:
Improper HSF installation (I'm not ruling anything out - but what are the odds I failed twice? - and one would think I would have had higher temps or some indication of trouble at the bios screen -
) Both memory sticks could be bad.
Something on the MB, perhaps a PCIe failure or other bus failure.
CPU - most likely in the cache
I will do an extra careful installation of the HSF. I think I will run memtest with both sticks if the thing will boot to Freedos (which it likely will, as it did in the bad configuration before).
If they clear Memtest - then I'm left with CPU or MB, right?
ETA: Power Supply - I bought a tester and it should be in by the weekend. I did not think of that as a potential problem until I did more research into MCEs - and, btw, I've never experienced an MCE before this build.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 10/23/15 at 2:10 pm to Ace Midnight
PSU is a possibility, but since the CPU triggers those stop errors, it would be the result of inadequate power for a split second--caused by an overloaded PSU (doubtful) or a bad rail (doubtful but possible). What PSU did you get?
I hate running all those tests. I wish I had an inventory of alternate parts for every platform. So much easier that way.
I hate running all those tests. I wish I had an inventory of alternate parts for every platform. So much easier that way.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 2:25 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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What PSU did you get?
Corsair, RM850i.
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I hate running all those tests. I wish I had an inventory of alternate parts for every platform. So much easier that way.
That's slowly happening - heck at this point, once I figure out the bad part, I'm over halfway to a new build (assuming I re-use a case that is currently in service).
This post was edited on 10/23/15 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 10/25/15 at 8:18 pm to Ace Midnight
So I'm switching phone carriers here soon and I'm looking to make the switch from iPhone to an Android phone. Really like the LG G4 but the new Nexus 5x is tempting as well.
What I want to ask you guys is what are the pros and cons of Android phones against the iPhone? And are the two Android phones I listed the top of the line or are there better ones?
TIA
What I want to ask you guys is what are the pros and cons of Android phones against the iPhone? And are the two Android phones I listed the top of the line or are there better ones?
TIA
Posted on 10/25/15 at 11:39 pm to Henry Jones Jr
I think with Android in general, the user's perception of it has a great deal to do with the phone itself. Just as one shouldn't compare OS X to Windows using a MacBook Pro and a $300 Dell.
That said, you're eyeing a Nexus, so that won't be an issue.
I switched to Android (Nexus 6) after 7 years of iPhones. At first, I was stoked to have something new and different, learned to flash roms and tinker with kernel settings and whatnot. But I've more or less regressed to phone apathy. That is to say, I like Android enough to say I don't want another iPhone, but if something enticed me enough in the next release, I could just as easily change my mind and get an iPhone next year. I probably won't though, simply because rooting a Nexus seems to be a guarantee, whereas jailbreaking an iPhone is always a waiting game. Better/faster Chromecast functionality on Android too, since iOS sandboxes everything.
That said, you're eyeing a Nexus, so that won't be an issue.
I switched to Android (Nexus 6) after 7 years of iPhones. At first, I was stoked to have something new and different, learned to flash roms and tinker with kernel settings and whatnot. But I've more or less regressed to phone apathy. That is to say, I like Android enough to say I don't want another iPhone, but if something enticed me enough in the next release, I could just as easily change my mind and get an iPhone next year. I probably won't though, simply because rooting a Nexus seems to be a guarantee, whereas jailbreaking an iPhone is always a waiting game. Better/faster Chromecast functionality on Android too, since iOS sandboxes everything.
This post was edited on 10/25/15 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 8:55 am to ILikeLSUToo
Yey, it's finally new monitor day. Finally got my xb270hu brpz version coming in today. Stupid newegg...
Posted on 10/27/15 at 12:38 pm to ILikeLSUToo
ILike - new processor in old motherboard - MB light shows bad ram and will not POST or display BIOS screen. Both sticks. All 4 spots - same issue. Really chasing my tail on this one. Could still be bad MB or ram, though, I believe. Ordered more ram. (ETA: PSU tested good.)
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:26 pm to Ace Midnight
I forget, did you ever run a mem test? If not, at least try a single stick of RAM (try them individually in all 4 slots). Very very rare that both sticks in the same kit are going to be bad.
To be honest, when I have problems that point to RAM in a new build, the problem is the DIMM slots more often than dead RAM -- not that I've had this issue very often. RAM and CPU are generally my least problematic components. Behind the hard drive, motherboards have the highest failure rate. They definitely have the highest chance of defects on arrival.
What's weird is that from your description, the problems seem to have become worse after replacing the CPU. Before, you could post and get a BSOD, but now you can't even do that. I'd at least make sure you didn't forget to connect something when replacing the CPU or seated something improperly.
Ultimately, if you'd listened to anything I said, you'd have a working build by now. Getting there, though. After the RAM, just one more RMA to go.
To be honest, when I have problems that point to RAM in a new build, the problem is the DIMM slots more often than dead RAM -- not that I've had this issue very often. RAM and CPU are generally my least problematic components. Behind the hard drive, motherboards have the highest failure rate. They definitely have the highest chance of defects on arrival.
What's weird is that from your description, the problems seem to have become worse after replacing the CPU. Before, you could post and get a BSOD, but now you can't even do that. I'd at least make sure you didn't forget to connect something when replacing the CPU or seated something improperly.
Ultimately, if you'd listened to anything I said, you'd have a working build by now. Getting there, though. After the RAM, just one more RMA to go.
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 10/27/15 at 5:30 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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I forget, did you ever run a mem test?
No. Thought about it - pulled the CPU instead. Became convinced by the internet.
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If not, at least try a single stick of RAM (try them individually in all 4 slots).
Come on man - you seriously think I didn't do this - the memory was passing the MB check last time. This is a NEW error. Each stick, individually, in each slot individually - 8 separate checks. I hit the memOK button and held for 10 seconds each time. No post - no BIOS.
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Very very rare that both sticks in the same kit are going to be bad.
Yeah - we talked about that before. I agree. However unlikely it was for the CPU to be bad, I thought this was less likely.
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RAM and CPU are generally my least problematic components. Behind the hard drive, motherboards have the highest failure rate. They definitely have the highest chance of defects on arrival.
Yeah - and if the damned thing wasn't so much trouble, I would have pulled it by now. This is the problem with changing errors - it becomes very difficult to lock down. This thing went through POST, BIOS and O/S install without a hitch. I guessed some thermal issue was hitting the thing, but it would hang at O/S reinstall with the MCE - every time.
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What's weird is that from your description, the problems seem to have become worse after replacing the CPU. Before, you could post and get a BSOD, but now you can't even do that.
That's my analysis, too.
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I'd at least make sure you didn't forget to connect something when replacing the CPU or seated something improperly.
Well - unless it's the CPU - everything is triple checked. Both MB power connectors - triple checked and seated. All drives have SATA power and SATA data. The red LED light on this MB seems to indicate bad or incompatible RAM. One thing I did was update the bios, but it continued to post after that (to the same MCE). I guess it is possible that after a long power off, this new bios now recognizes the bad ram (
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Ultimately, if you'd listened to anything I said, you'd have a working build by now.
That's not fair, baw. I didn't disregard anything you said. I bought the fast, super speed G.Skills ram, instead of crucial like I always do. I didn't run memtest before I tore it down, but I did test with each stick individually and got the same MCE.
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After the RAM, just one more RMA to go.
Because of the length of time, the RAM is now out of return period with Newegg. I'm going to have to try to RMA with g.skills.
ETA: And - would you have suspected the MB early based on how it went down? Although I do now (problem getting worse) - there is no "motherboard" test, now is there? And I've only pulled 1 bad motherboard in about 12 builds. Like you said - if a component is bad out of the box, it is almost always a drive.
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 10/27/15 at 6:28 pm to Ace Midnight
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Come on man - you seriously think I didn't do this
I've learned to ask about anything not explicitly mentioned, just in case. I still neglect some of the basics myself from time to time.
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And - would you have suspected the MB early based on how it went down?
Well, yeah. The first thing I said when you initially posted about the BSOD issue: "Odds of it being a processor problem are the lowest of all."
In that same post, after I went through all the diagnostic basics (update bios, run barebones, reinstall, etc.), I ended with: "If you can't even get Windows installed again after all that, it would be time to RMA the mobo. Unless it's the RAM, but that would be easy to test by swapping sticks in the barebones configuration (Really, what are the odds of two sticks in a single kit being dead?)."
Later, you said, "I'm almost certain it is the CPU."
I said, "I'd be surprised if it were the CPU, but there's a first time for everything."
Of course, I can never be 100% confident about anything without being present to physically examine and test things myself.
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there is no "motherboard" test, now is there?
Not specifically, no. That's why, when a not-quickly-identifiable problem arises, I test only as much as I can (i.e. things that can be tested individually, and whatever parts I have lying around that can be swapped out). If things are so bad that CPU/RAM/HDD tests won't cooperate, and/or I don't have components to swap out, my first RMA is the motherboard. My second RMA would perhaps be RAM or CPU, but I've never needed the second RMA.
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And I've only pulled 1 bad motherboard in about 12 builds. Like you said - if a component is bad out of the box, it is almost always a drive.
I may have phrased that poorly, because I actually meant that drives have the highest failure rate, but motherboards have the highest defective-on-arrival rate. I don't think I've ever had a hard drive not work out of the box. But motherboards are essentially PCs themselves, tons of components sourced all over the world (or at least Asia), many points of failure that aren't necessarily caught under factory testing conditions (and may often go unnoticed by the user). What seems like CPU problems will more likely be socket problems. What seems like RAM problems will more likely be DIMM slot problems.
My clearly-defective-on-arrival rate for mobos is 2 or 3 out of 200+ builds. I've had to replace about 10 mobos later down the line within the first year. So, our rates are about the same, just under 10% -- not counting the number of people I've helped with PCs I didn't actually build. Zero defective CPUs for me, though.
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 6:37 pm
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