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ESPN radio- trying to destroy CFB
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:00 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:00 am
if already posted, sorry about that.
Yesterday I was driving down to NOLA for my son's high school lacrosse game (against Jesuit, we lost dammit), and listening to espn radio. They had Mel Kiper on, and for whatever reason they seemed hellbent on ruining college football as we know it. The issue-
Jadeveon Clowney, and the NFL draft. And why Clowney should be allowed to go pro early, and numerous recitals of LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett etc (they went to the NBA early).
Stating Clowney should go pro early and not have to wait an additional year as per the rules that apply uniformly to everyone; that Clowney should in fact sit out next season if he doesn't go to the draft... to avoid injury and protect his draft status.
See, this is (to me) what has happened to college basketball and the NBA, and I don't want it happening to football. I used to love basketball, but then the NBA started drafting guys out of high school, and very soon anyone with marginal talent was declaring for the draft instead of playing college ball. The reporters treat it as fine, and spout off how much money the kid made, and how that makes it a good decision... well maybe for the kid's immediate financial situation it is.
But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich. NCAA basketball is a shadow of its' former self, and really the NBA is too. Very few guys are staying at school long enough to develop- if you're tall and can jump (Tyrus Thomas), you go get rich... and don't learn to play. The NBA is now full of raw guys without good training, and the draft (and new players) is fairly boring because nobody knows who 90% of these kids are now. This is as compared to a few years back, when you knew Jordan, Ewing, Barkley etc from several years of college, and the anticipation of them being drafted was huge.
Imagine, for a second, that happening to football. Any freshman on your team that looks good, he's likely to get pressure by his "peeps" to make a money run, and then it just goes downhill from there. Please, leave it alone, it's good the way it is. Don't destroy it like the NBA has done basketball.
Long rant, just had to get that off my chest.
Yesterday I was driving down to NOLA for my son's high school lacrosse game (against Jesuit, we lost dammit), and listening to espn radio. They had Mel Kiper on, and for whatever reason they seemed hellbent on ruining college football as we know it. The issue-
Jadeveon Clowney, and the NFL draft. And why Clowney should be allowed to go pro early, and numerous recitals of LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett etc (they went to the NBA early).
Stating Clowney should go pro early and not have to wait an additional year as per the rules that apply uniformly to everyone; that Clowney should in fact sit out next season if he doesn't go to the draft... to avoid injury and protect his draft status.
See, this is (to me) what has happened to college basketball and the NBA, and I don't want it happening to football. I used to love basketball, but then the NBA started drafting guys out of high school, and very soon anyone with marginal talent was declaring for the draft instead of playing college ball. The reporters treat it as fine, and spout off how much money the kid made, and how that makes it a good decision... well maybe for the kid's immediate financial situation it is.
But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich. NCAA basketball is a shadow of its' former self, and really the NBA is too. Very few guys are staying at school long enough to develop- if you're tall and can jump (Tyrus Thomas), you go get rich... and don't learn to play. The NBA is now full of raw guys without good training, and the draft (and new players) is fairly boring because nobody knows who 90% of these kids are now. This is as compared to a few years back, when you knew Jordan, Ewing, Barkley etc from several years of college, and the anticipation of them being drafted was huge.
Imagine, for a second, that happening to football. Any freshman on your team that looks good, he's likely to get pressure by his "peeps" to make a money run, and then it just goes downhill from there. Please, leave it alone, it's good the way it is. Don't destroy it like the NBA has done basketball.
Long rant, just had to get that off my chest.
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:04 am to Scoob
Kiper makes no secret of his disdain for college football. To him it's just a source of talent for the NFL.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:05 am to Scoob
It's a free country. If an 18 year old wants to declare - he should be able to declare
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:07 am to Scoob
Theres a HUGE difference between an 18 year old in the nba and an 18 year old in the nfl. Football will NEVER be like basketball even if the draft rules are changed.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:08 am to Scoob
quote:
But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich.
I don't want your son to go to college either...because I like to watch the TV show cops.
See how it feels? This is America and we have inalienable rights...those players weren't born and aren't on earth to suit your pleasure for free.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:08 am to Scoob
I'm in agreement with you man. I think it would be a sham to let kids go right from high school to the NFL. You cant let 18 year olds kid play with 23-35 year old men. I mean just from a development standpoint they would get smashed. Not to mention most teams would be completely retooling after only a year because of the huge turnover
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 9:09 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:12 am to Scoob
There shouldn't be any age limit on anything, but I think it's wrong if they make an exception just for Clowney.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:12 am to Scoob
18 year olds can vote and go die for their country in service. If they want to go play in the NFL, they should be able to if that is their choice.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:32 am to Scoob
quote:But here's the problem, this isn't a bout you, this is about a kid like Clowney. If you're sitting on a lottety ticket, that you completely earned by the way, you would probably also do what's best for your future, no?
But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich
quote:imagine for a second, you were Clowney, and it should help to understand why he would do this.
Imagine, for a second, that happening to football.
If I'm Clowney and I can't get a rather large insurance policy, I would absolutely consider sitting out this season.
The system is flawed.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:51 am to Scoob
Tl; dr version:
You're selfish.
You're selfish.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:04 am to Scoob
quote:
But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich.
BTW you are one of the most selfish and self-serving college football fans I have ever heard of.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:15 am to Scoob
I think it is selfish for people to want to force kids to go to college just because people like college sports.
I don't understand the fascination with people wanting to "save college sports". College sports are simply a means to an end.
Athletes shouldn't be forced to attend a college to play a sport just because you want their talent so that your school can beat another school.
It's ridiculous. College sports should get the leftovers of those not good enough to play elsewhere... not the first pick of athletes, as if a school has a right to an athlete's talent.
I don't understand the fascination with people wanting to "save college sports". College sports are simply a means to an end.
Athletes shouldn't be forced to attend a college to play a sport just because you want their talent so that your school can beat another school.
It's ridiculous. College sports should get the leftovers of those not good enough to play elsewhere... not the first pick of athletes, as if a school has a right to an athlete's talent.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:43 am to Scoob
It doesn't matter what Kiper thinks. The NFL age limit was collectively bargained, so it isn't changing. At least not until the current agreement ends. And I doubt there will be a lot of support from players or owners to let teenagers into the league when that happens.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:00 am to Scoob
It is his life and skills, his risks and rewards.
He shouldn't be confined because a bunch of overweight white guys with bad facial hair and a job as plant operator want their college team of choice to do well.
Sure, it's better for college football if these kids are required to stick around. But how can that be used to justify constraining their choices? Shouldn't they be the ones to decide how much they want to contribute to college football?
ETA: Similarly, they and their destination industry (NFL) should be the ones to determine how much development work they need, and how they go about it.
I surely appreciate that these kids are required to play CFB. But that doesn't make it "right" in a philosophical way.
He shouldn't be confined because a bunch of overweight white guys with bad facial hair and a job as plant operator want their college team of choice to do well.
Sure, it's better for college football if these kids are required to stick around. But how can that be used to justify constraining their choices? Shouldn't they be the ones to decide how much they want to contribute to college football?
ETA: Similarly, they and their destination industry (NFL) should be the ones to determine how much development work they need, and how they go about it.
I surely appreciate that these kids are required to play CFB. But that doesn't make it "right" in a philosophical way.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 11:03 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:15 am to Scoob
Yes, college football is fun to watch. But it is also absurd. This idea of 18-20 year olds attending class while performing their jobs as football players is a joke. The system NEEDS to change, and it will eventually.
Eventually NFL will change its rules to sign kids on at young ages, and grow them. They will learn the proper way, at a young age, to tackle, etc. And once the ones who don't 'make it' have fricked their professional careers through injuries, then they will go to college and not destroy the very idea of what college is supposed to represent. Which is, first and foremost, higher learning. And then these people will get actual jobs that aren't related to sports. Just like the rest of us.
Eventually NFL will change its rules to sign kids on at young ages, and grow them. They will learn the proper way, at a young age, to tackle, etc. And once the ones who don't 'make it' have fricked their professional careers through injuries, then they will go to college and not destroy the very idea of what college is supposed to represent. Which is, first and foremost, higher learning. And then these people will get actual jobs that aren't related to sports. Just like the rest of us.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 11:18 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:32 pm to Scoob
I don't know who started this shite but I'm tired of hearing about it from people that don't matter. Not once has Clowney complained because he can't enter the draft this year.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:32 pm to Scoob
You don't need to worry about it, the courts have made their position clear and the NFL loves CFB for creating ready made stars for them.
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