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re: What is the true "rank" of LSU's offense?
Posted on 1/13/13 at 8:55 pm to timm6971463
Posted on 1/13/13 at 8:55 pm to timm6971463
[quote]Les is the bes,sabis does pretty good with the countless 5 stars that espn recruits for him,if he would have had to do his own recruiting he would be a mac conference coach
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Posted on 1/13/13 at 8:57 pm to lsuexpert57
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You gotta have a touchdown drive to save your life...against a big time SEC defense....who's offense do you want on the field?
I guess Bama after the results of our game versus them this year.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:00 pm to lsuexpert57
Well I am no expert by any means but the routes LSU runs appear to be very basic. Middle of the year an analyst even said he saw LSU run the same combo route 23x in one game.
As for the running plays we NEVER run any misdirection plays. Most of the time the TE or slot wr in motion will take you to the POA. I realize we are very talented but not talented enough to basically tell SEC defenses " we are running left" and expect to be able to "execute" the play consistently.
As for the running plays we NEVER run any misdirection plays. Most of the time the TE or slot wr in motion will take you to the POA. I realize we are very talented but not talented enough to basically tell SEC defenses " we are running left" and expect to be able to "execute" the play consistently.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:04 pm to lsuexpert57
Very rank
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:08 pm to Topwater Trout
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Are you watching coaching film? You rarely get to see the routes of each receiver on a broadcast.
He's guessing.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:15 pm to Topwater Trout
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Well I am no expert by any means but the routes LSU runs appear to be very basic. Middle of the year an analyst even said he saw LSU run the same combo route 23x in one game. As for the running plays we NEVER run any misdirection plays. Most of the time the TE or slot wr in motion will take you to the POA. I realize we are very talented but not talented enough to basically tell SEC defenses " we are running left" and expect to be able to "execute" the play consistently.
I'm no expert either, I just chose my screen name to piss off the mouth breathers among us.
That being said, like you I would LOVE to see an increase in misdirection type plays, along the line of what Florida does.
Of course you don't see Bama doing much misdirection either do you?
Many times a play that looks simple to the average fan is much more nuanced than it would appear. Believe it or not, our coaching staff does appear to me to self scout their own tendencies as the season progresses. I have seen evidence in play selection and design that seems indicate they are trying to influence defenses based on previous keys and formations.
The biggest gripe I have is our red zone play calling and performance. That is what I see as the OC's biggest failing, especially this year. Last year they we had a few more options in the RZ due to JJ's running ability. This year we seemed really unsure of what we wanted to do as we neared the goal. There is no excuse for that and the OC needs to improve there for sure.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:30 pm to lsuexpert57
We agree on the self scouting.
But Bama does spread the defense and run from the shotgun. LSU refuses to spread teams and run.
But Bama does spread the defense and run from the shotgun. LSU refuses to spread teams and run.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:37 pm to lsuexpert57
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Miles admitted there’s “a need to execute this offense in a more effective manner.” He added, “that’s something we’re all looking to get accomplished.”
This is the point. These words come straight from the mouth of our head coach. He is admitting the problems. No more defending this offense. It's underperformed for a while now. It has held us back for some time now.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:46 pm to Topwater Trout
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But Bama does spread the defense and run from the shotgun. LSU refuses to spread teams and run.
Actually we did do that at times this year, and to me that was when we looked the best both running and throwing, Mett in the shotgun with 3 or 4 wides.
Baffles me why we didn't do it more, I'm sure the coaches had their reasons but beats me what those reasons were.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:48 pm to peopleschamp
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This is the point. These words come straight from the mouth of our head coach. He is admitting the problems. No more defending this offense. It's underperformed for a while now. It has held us back for some time now.
I agree with this post.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 9:48 pm to lsuexpert57
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Baffles me why we didn't do it more, I'm sure the coaches had their reasons but beats me what those reasons were.
Just my opinion, but I don't think the staff wants to spend time practicing a whole lot of different formations every week. Just based on some things I have hears Les say before. I still think he just wants to tee it up and beat the other guy man to man.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 10:05 pm to lsuexpert57
Bama is a power team yet they have chosen to run a lot out of the gun. It is all about adapting to how defenses defend you. Time and time again we see little change in how we choose to attack defenses.
Bama game aside we ran the same offense until that game. For the most part none of the fans wanting a change offensively are interested in looking like Oregon or throwing it around like Texas Tech. We just want to mix it up and scheme our offense to set up plays. Why are we such a bad screen team? Running into a brick wall over and over is just going to allow teams to remain close. I would love to build a lead and then in the 4th qtr line up in the I and ram it down their throats....but let's get a lead first.
Bama game aside we ran the same offense until that game. For the most part none of the fans wanting a change offensively are interested in looking like Oregon or throwing it around like Texas Tech. We just want to mix it up and scheme our offense to set up plays. Why are we such a bad screen team? Running into a brick wall over and over is just going to allow teams to remain close. I would love to build a lead and then in the 4th qtr line up in the I and ram it down their throats....but let's get a lead first.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 10:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Just my opinion, but I don't think the staff wants to spend time practicing a whole lot of different formations every week. Just based on some things I have hears Les say before. I still think he just wants to tee it up and beat the other guy man to man.
I think thats one reasonable conclusion that can be drawn. Les is a big believer, as are many coaches Saban included, that training your team to be the toughest men is the most important thing to do. Thats why he makes a big deal of the "big cat" drill during practice. This drill is not about any technique...its all about who is the toughest man.
If you can recruit athletes the way Les can here at LSU, his approach can win a heck of a lot of games as his record here has proven.
Personally I still think that our main problem has been the lack of top line QB play. This can be blamed either on bad "recruiting luck" or poor player evaluation and development.
From where we sit it is hard to know which of those two choices are most to blame. All we can see are the results on the field and they have left a lot to be desired. Lets hope Mett improves next year, and that the guys we have coming in pan out better than our last few qb's have.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 10:19 pm to Topwater Trout
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Bama is a power team yet they have chosen to run a lot out of the gun. It is all about adapting to how defenses defend you. Time and time again we see little change in how we choose to attack defenses. Bama game aside we ran the same offense until that game. For the most part none of the fans wanting a change offensively are interested in looking like Oregon or throwing it around like Texas Tech. We just want to mix it up and scheme our offense to set up plays. Why are we such a bad screen team? Running into a brick wall over and over is just going to allow teams to remain close. I would love to build a lead and then in the 4th qtr line up in the I and ram it down their throats....but let's get a lead first.
I really think the "scheme" is in place to be successful. With the type of offense that teams like LSU and Bama run, it really is as simple as Miles says.
"If they put 7 in the box you run, if they put 8 in there you throw over the top". I saw evidence over and over this year that they called the passes against 8 man boxes. They just didn't complete very many. Mett was very poor specifically with the long ball. We had guys open all year and he completed very few. Of course some games early in the year, even when he WAS accurate the WR's had their well documented problems.
The TAMU game really stuck out to me since no other team on our schedule sold out quite the way the Aggies did on defense. They ROUTINELY during the game had all ELEVEN men within 6 yards of the line scrimmage. The staff called as many deep and medium range passes as any game this year, but Mett misfired time and again to open recievers, with fairly good protection.
This post was edited on 1/13/13 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 1/13/13 at 10:30 pm to lsuexpert57
We tend to run into stacked boxes an awful lot. Teams also cheat safeties up against us all the time. Hitting the TE or becoming more proficient in the passing game is a must.
I know we had some OL problems with injuries this year but we have never been a good pass blocking team. I think we have the talent to do it well but since passing is secondary in our offensive philosophy that part of the game doesn't get enough work.
Defense had some issues, I think mainly because they were tired. The best way too improve the defense is get better offensively. The defense can't make the offense better but the offense can definitely help the defense.
I know we had some OL problems with injuries this year but we have never been a good pass blocking team. I think we have the talent to do it well but since passing is secondary in our offensive philosophy that part of the game doesn't get enough work.
Defense had some issues, I think mainly because they were tired. The best way too improve the defense is get better offensively. The defense can't make the offense better but the offense can definitely help the defense.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 10:44 pm to Topwater Trout
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I know we had some OL problems with injuries this year but we have never been a good pass blocking team. I think we have the talent to do it well but since passing is secondary in our offensive philosophy that part of the game doesn't get enough work.
This is one of the more difficult dilemmas you face as a coach. When you have chosen to be a run heavy team, you tend to recruit guys on the line that are the "road grader" types. And then as you point out, you spend a great deal of time focusing being proficient at run blocking, your guys don't get as much time to work on pass blocking which is probably the most difficult part of a lineman's job.
It's asking a lot of your O-line to get really good at picking up all of the exotic blitz packages prevalent in todays CFB, when you spend such a great deal of time working on your run game. I would imagine the staff is looking for ways to improve in this area.
Posted on 1/13/13 at 11:06 pm to lsuexpert57
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Bama's offense is not 31st it is first. Why? Because the level of athlete they put on the field makes sure their offense can never be overwhelmed by a team with superior athletic ability. Just like LSU. Oregon for instance, has a great offense, but when faced with team with superior athletes they slow way down.
Dude no matter how you try and serve it up our offense has been bad. You keep trying to find ways to say how good it is. Are you Metts Mom?
Bama's offense is not first. They have a pretty good offense with a great defense and great coach.
Those 3 things have won them 3 NC's. The only thing we have out of those 3 are the defense side.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 3:19 am to lsuexpert57
Rank is relative. As long as it is worse than Alabama's (and it is) plus one other West Team (Texas A&M for 3 more years) LSU is out of BCS contention.
The Defense can't be expected to win every game if they are on the field for 40 minutes and playing an extra quarter's worth of plays.
Enjoy the ride to another great 10 win Cotton Bowl.
The Defense can't be expected to win every game if they are on the field for 40 minutes and playing an extra quarter's worth of plays.
Enjoy the ride to another great 10 win Cotton Bowl.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 5:48 am to lsuexpert57
Football is not Theoretical Physics. You guys trying to provide this proverbial silver lining above the X's and O's, some grand epiphany we peasants can't grasp, come off as simple nonsensical hypotheticals.
Our offense is terrible. If things remain the same, we will need special teams and key turnovers ala 2011 D/ST to get back to NCG.
Our offense is terrible. If things remain the same, we will need special teams and key turnovers ala 2011 D/ST to get back to NCG.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 8:40 am to lsuexpert57
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The TAMU game really stuck out to me since no other team on our schedule sold out quite the way the Aggies did on defense. They ROUTINELY during the game had all ELEVEN men within 6 yards of the line scrimmage. The staff called as many deep and medium range passes as any game this year, but Mett misfired time and again to open recievers, with fairly good protection.
so it is the talent? so miles is a crappy recruiter? or is it miles is a crappy player developer from the coaching aspect? which is it?
also running into stacked boxes more so than not is not creative play calling nor is throwing curls and slants when DB's are squatting.
This post was edited on 1/14/13 at 8:43 am
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