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re: LSU Compared to Other Top Programs in the Les Miles Era
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:54 pm to BearTiger
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:54 pm to BearTiger
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I know on here at least everyone is pretty divided about their feeling of Les and the current state of the program, so I just wanted to give some perspective about how the program has fared since he became head coach compared to the other top programs in the country.
100% agree with you and some of us have been fighting this argument for over a year now. There is a certain contingent of Rant posters that are only interested in 21 games the last 8 years. They aren't interested in the 13 wins last year, they are interested in the 1 loss. They aren't interested in potential reasons why we lost 3 games this year, they only care that Miles has 3 more losses this season. Reality is those people aren't the type of people who would be able to run a successful program if they were in charge. When someone has sustained success and been so close to winning the championship, you don't clean house and start over. Smart people are in charge of the program, hence the success we've seen the past 3 years. The butthurtness will pass once NSD happens. LSU is set up really well with young talent that got experience and really special players committed and coming in this week and in the fall. LSU's program will continue to see success for awhile despite what the 50 or so vocal negatigers post on here.
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:05 pm to uway
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I want somebody to tell me why they believe the next 8 years will be better than or as good as Miles first 8 years
because they continue to recruit good players.
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the occasional inexplicable decision,
every coach has these, those of you that expect perfection out of Les don't get that.
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I would say Miles has been very lucky to have had this success so far.
I don't think the luck will hold.
of course you would, because god forbid you'd give him credit for anything. I got news for you, every one needs luck, including Saban. You don't win 80% of your games on just luck.
Saban is putting together one of the all time great runs, to view something less than that as a failure, or settling is unrelistic
Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:13 pm to Fat Bastard
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do you realize miles SHOULD have 5 to 7 more wins in his record
do you realize how stupid this statment is? First of all, you discount the possibilty that the other coach or team has any impact on the game at all. 5-7 more wins would be 92-90 and 14-16.
Do you realize 92-14 with 3-4 national titles would be one of the greatest runs ever? To expect that or say that should have happened is unrealistic. Only a handful of coaches ever could have done that. The problem is one of them preceeded Miles here and is now at Alabama. Its not impossible, but to expect that is like expecting someone to duplicate Barry Sanders or Michael Jordan and calling those that don't failures.
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:14 pm to CptBengal
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except AP isnt used in the BCS...which determines the actual championship.
Logic fail. but good try....
The AP title is reconginized by College Football, you are the one with the logic fail.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:21 pm to rickgrimes
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This is very disingenuous.
How is this disingenuous? I did not pick an arbitrary amount of time to compare programs. I compared the top programs during Miles entire tenure at LSU.
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What you should be looking at it LSU's performace since Nick Saban started his tenure at Alabama. I bet it will look really bad for Miles.
Ok, if you compare all the schools during Saban's era at Bama (2007-2012). The top 5 are as follows:
1. Alabama - AAFR = 6.5
2. Ohio St. - AAFR = 7.83
2. Oregon - AAFR = 7.83
4. LSU - AAFR = 10.33
5. Boise St. - AAFR = 11.67
5. Oklahoma - AAFR = 11.67
LSU also has 1 bcs championship, 2 top 5's, 3 top 10's and 2 conference championships in that time frame. I wouldn't consider that "really bad."
Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:35 pm to BearTiger
i still say do the past 5 so we can see how miles does with just his players
Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:40 pm to Tyger1919
Tyger, that's stupid. Go sit with captain.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:41 pm to BearTiger
I see this thrown around a lot, so I checked the numbers.
From 2005 - 2012, LSU is ranked 3rd in winning percentage among all Division 1-A schools. 1st is Boise St, 2nd is TCU. Ohio St and Oregon fill out the top 5. That is out of 120 teams.
I am not a Miles supporter or hater, just a fan that loves data.
Take it for what it is worth.
And looking at the last 5 years only to erase the Saban's players argument - 2007-2012, LSU is tied for 5th in winning percentage behind Boise St, Bama, Oregon, TCU, and tied with Oklahoma. Again, that is out of 120 teams.
I've created a normal distribution to help show this.
From 2005 - 2012, LSU is ranked 3rd in winning percentage among all Division 1-A schools. 1st is Boise St, 2nd is TCU. Ohio St and Oregon fill out the top 5. That is out of 120 teams.
I am not a Miles supporter or hater, just a fan that loves data.
Take it for what it is worth.
And looking at the last 5 years only to erase the Saban's players argument - 2007-2012, LSU is tied for 5th in winning percentage behind Boise St, Bama, Oregon, TCU, and tied with Oklahoma. Again, that is out of 120 teams.
I've created a normal distribution to help show this.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:55 pm to Tyger1919
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i still say do the past 5 so we can see how miles does with just his players
Since you asked:
1. Alabama - Average Final Ranking 2.8
2. Oregon - 5
3. Ohio St. - 8.6
4. Boise St. - 9
5. TCU - 10
6. Florida - 12
7. LSU - 12.4
8. Oklahoma - 12.6
9. Stanford - 13
10. Texas - 14.4
I think the whole "his players" thing is a little overrated myself. Is Chip Kelly's record at Oregon discounted because they weren't his players? Same thing with Brian Kelly at Notre Dame. But since you asked, that is it.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:55 pm to BearTiger
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What you should be looking at it LSU's performace since Nick Saban started his tenure at Alabama. I bet it will look really bad for Miles.
This is the heart of the problem. He's not as good as Saban, who is building a case as the greatest ever, but if you are not as good as him, then you are bad by comparision.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:00 pm to Beef Supreme
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Moral of the story is quit calling people stupid
I called no one stupid, certainly not the OP. My contention was his use of the AP poll, and simply asked a question on why he normalized his scores.
You called me stupid...odd you wouldn't have actually read the comments though.
You link me calling the OP "stupid" I'll leave the rant, you can't...you leave. deal?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:02 pm to Spirit of Dunson
Bullshite! Kick out the '05, '06, '07, '11 and '12 seasons and see how that stacks up 
Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:34 pm to CptBengal
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My contention was his use of the AP poll
you act like the AP poll is wildly different from the coaches or BCS poll. Exactly once in 15 years did it differ from the BCS. It also includes teams that are on probation.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:34 pm to BearTiger
So by this reasoning LSU is a better program than Alabama. What matters most in those stats are the Champioships.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:56 pm to Fat Bastard
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yeah and he might have won a NC last year and the SEC and a NC
Hes the one that put lsu in position to do so. Without what miles has done here, you wouldnt even be saying we could have won this or that. You know LSU still had to win those 23 games over the last 2 seasons for this discussion to even happen.
The haters cant see that.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:58 pm to BearTiger
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Same thing with Brian Kelly at Notre Dame.
Yeah people forget weis had 2 top 5 classes that Kelly was coaching monday night.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 5:07 pm to BearTiger
Impressive BearTiger! 
Posted on 1/9/13 at 5:16 pm to dgnx6
Miles is a good coach. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being intentionally difficult. He is an excellent recruiter and *seems* to have a good relationship with his players and coaching staff. That said, he is not a perfect coach and he seems to have a blind spot to some chronic problems with his teams that prevent them from being as good as they could be. And I think there are probably 10 coaches out there who could replicate or better the success he has had at LSU.
Maybe things will improve, and he's bought enough good will to be given time to fix the offense, but if 10 and 11 win seasons without any hardware to show for it is the ceiling then I'm not sure how long the fans will stay behind him. You can call them spoiled or scream "Remember the 90's!" but being so close year after year and not quite getting there can get really frustrating for fans.
And on a personal level I just find LSU football really frustrating to watch lately. I'm not having much fun watching games because the offense is just so poor and I hate to see our team struggle so often with clearly inferior squads. I missed some games this year and I'll probably miss more next year unless I see some improvement on the offensive side that makes it fun to watch again.
Maybe things will improve, and he's bought enough good will to be given time to fix the offense, but if 10 and 11 win seasons without any hardware to show for it is the ceiling then I'm not sure how long the fans will stay behind him. You can call them spoiled or scream "Remember the 90's!" but being so close year after year and not quite getting there can get really frustrating for fans.
And on a personal level I just find LSU football really frustrating to watch lately. I'm not having much fun watching games because the offense is just so poor and I hate to see our team struggle so often with clearly inferior squads. I missed some games this year and I'll probably miss more next year unless I see some improvement on the offensive side that makes it fun to watch again.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 5:26 pm to CptBengal
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I'm glad though that you and the rest of the rantards are too stupid to recognize little details. It's probably why you think Less is great.
This was the first instance of one of us calling someone stupid. If you say my "einstein" comment insinuated I was calling you stupid, then you lose that argument as you said to the OP "Logic Fail". Definately an insinuation that the OP is stupid/made a stupid argument.
Going further, "you and the rest of the rantards" would definately include the OP since he is qualified as a rantard by you for thinking "Less is great"
Please see yourself out.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 6:06 pm to Choctaw
quote:ohio st still would have had to beat nebraska. not saying they would have lost but they still would have had to win 1 more game
bama wouldn't even had been in that game had dumbass OSU decided to forfiet last years bowl instead of this years. would've been Ohio St/Notre Dame
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