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re: Realistic Offensive Coordinator Discussion with Historical Insight
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:25 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:25 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:I don't know how one could conclude he is anything but a failure as OL coach. O line has been a consistent weak spot for the team.
Honestly, I don't want him near the OLine either.
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:26 pm to ATLTiger
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what would make him better?
I dont know, but you went to school. dont you remember teachers using different approaches to teaching class. Some kids respond well one way and some the other.
Also on that note, les miles also has his hand in coaching the oline. In fact he really stepped in this year with all the injuries.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:27 pm to theunknownknight
Unknown kinght: True to some extent. Stud is no IMO great OC and is only close to being a good one. But no matter how good the OC is if Les overides the game plan and overrides play calls it won't matter if you have Payton as OC. Hard-headedness is Miles' short coming. He will not hire and OC or a new OLine coach. He would have to let someone go to do either. 
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:28 pm to dgnx6
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Ok why dont you tell me what happened so i can form a more informed opinion on the situation.
I just did. It's that simple. Take it or leave it. I don't care.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:30 pm to dgnx6
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I dont know, but you went to school. dont you remember teachers using different approaches to teaching class. Some kids respond well one way and some the other.
damn dude, I thought your OL buddies would have given specifics.
I mean, you knew this
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Also on that note, les miles also has his hand in coaching the oline. In fact he really stepped in this year with all the injuries.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:30 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:31 pm to Boudreaux in SF
Just curious - How many OL coaches are OC/play callers in the FBS?
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:31 pm to coolpapaboze
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I don't know how one could conclude he is anything but a failure as OL coach. O line has been a consistent weak spot for the team.
Went from 1500 yds rushing to 2400 to 2800 to 2200.
This year i blame the injuries on the line, the fact we passed way more and the fact that mett lost way more yardage than the other qbs did.
Id say the running game improving is direct result of the oline improving.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:33 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:What does his weight have to do with any of this?
Personally, I think Stud is a fat, waste of space
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:34 pm to Paluka
We have the luxury of having a genius in the Chief and an embarrassment of riches on our defense that I would imagine Miles lacked while at OSU.
Our offense only really needs 4-5 scoring drives a game for us to be successful bc its not often our D lets up more than 20 points.
Our team is built to hold on to the ball longer than our opponent and challenge them when they actually get the ball to try to score on our D. Our biggest issue this year was floundering in the redzone and inconsistent O line play.
Our offense only really needs 4-5 scoring drives a game for us to be successful bc its not often our D lets up more than 20 points.
Our team is built to hold on to the ball longer than our opponent and challenge them when they actually get the ball to try to score on our D. Our biggest issue this year was floundering in the redzone and inconsistent O line play.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:34 pm to dgnx6
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Id say the running game improving is direct result of the oline improving.
Run blocking has been great. Pass blocking not so much. That's a slightly different skill we've fallen short on for quite some time.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:35 pm to dgnx6
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Id say the running game improving is direct result of the oline improving.
It may have been a contributing factor, but I'd give the backs more credit than the oline. We've had some of our best backs in the last two or three decades the last few years.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:36 pm to ATLTiger
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damn dude, I thought your OL buddies would have given specifics. I mean, you knew this
Well when i was 20 years old i wasnt asking another 20 year old how stud can improve as an oline coach. i simply asked the opinion son the man since he has been given heat his whole time here.
The only reason why i knew Miles coaches the oline is from reading practice reports and what is being reported by reputable people in the LSU circle. I actually didnt watch any practices this year so i can only go by what other people say. and since they get paid to do that id figure they wouldnt gvie out completely false information.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:36 pm to theunknownknight
I enjoy seeing powerful offensive like Chip Kelly and Sean Peyton engaged in their offense with a big "cue card" with plays/formations.
I look at Miles and he's staring into space chewing grass.
I look at Miles and he's staring into space chewing grass.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:37 pm to dgnx6
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Gundy was his OC at OSU. This is what drives me insane. The offense at OSU would let it fly when Miles was there!
I don't think any of us truly understand how much 2008 really affected Miles. I fully I believe Miles was trying to transition us to the offenses like he had at OSU. Crowton and Stud are both zone spread guys so why bring them in if your intentions all along are stick with I formation old school football. I think once 2008 happened the decision was made to dumb things down, limit mistakes and let the defense and special teams win the game. I agree with the premise it doesn't matter who the OC is as long as this going to be the overall model. Miles first and foremost has to agree to a change in overall strategy.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:38 pm to theunknownknight
Of our last 2 coordinators one is now a high school coach (sarcasm in the CFL) and the other's job experience consists of former OC for Bowling Green.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:38 pm to tigerzballzdeep
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I look at Miles and he's staring into space chewing grass.
exactly, so how can he be calling all the plays. Hes not by the way. Plenty of times the offense is in the huddle and he is engaged in the something else. Whether its chewing grass, talking to players, talking to erin andrews or talking to the refs.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:41 pm to afatgreekcat
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It may have been a contributing factor, but I'd give the backs more credit than the oline. We've had some of our best backs in the last two or three decades the last few years.
So we should all agree then spreading out the carries may have actually helped in this regard?
Considering the years we had 1k yard runners in scott and ridley were actually the years we had less overall rushing yards.
Actually i take that back, 2010 was one of the best years. Guess ridley really was just that good.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:42 pm to dgnx6
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exactly, so how can he be calling all the plays. Hes not by the way. Plenty of times the offense is in the huddle and he is engaged in the something else. Whether its chewing grass, talking to players, talking to erin andrews or talking to the refs.
He makes a list of plays for the game and let's Stud call the plays from it.
It's on a post-it note.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:44 pm to afatgreekcat
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He makes a list of plays for the game and let's Stud call the plays from it. It's on a post-it note.
Got it. Maybe they should change the color of said note, i think that would help.
I think we should get a new oc. its about time, i just not ready to blow the damn thing up like some want to. I think miles may be reluctant to because of how close we are.
But i stand by what i said and this offense under stud looks nothing like crowtons. So i have a hard time believing Miles has been calling all the plays since day 1. Even though that seems to be the consensus on why Jimbo and Crowton left. even though jimbos offense in 02 and 04 were worse than crowtons in 09 and 10.
What is strikingly similar to those 4 seasons, poor qb play. 2 diff head coaches.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 4:49 pm
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