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Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:19 am
Posted by LSUHSC-S T-Fanatic
WV
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Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:19 am
I'm a medical resident 11 months out from graduating. My wife is the same. We have a significant amount of debt and a baby due in January, and a mortgage that is quite reasonable and affordable on a resident salary. We'll have real earning potential when we finish, and I have a financial advisor hounding around quite aggressively...emails every other week. He works with several recent grads who are now really involved with Stock markets and many other financial ventures.

I'm by nature (A poor La boy), and really conservative with money. Would you guys/girls advise getting involved with someone like this? Is it worth the money? Or should I stay conservative until my debts are done and kid is a stable situation?

This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 2:56 am
Posted by Northgate
Member since Jul 2012
2527 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:17 am to
I always wondered why, if a financial adviser was so smart, they were a financial advisor. Perhaps this helps ...
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13754 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 5:58 am to
My advice would be to wait a year. Make sure you have plenty of term life and disability insurance (NW mutual is a good company for physicians). Try to keep living expenses the same your first year, and build up a nice nestegg. Open an IRA through Vanguard.

I made the mistake of opening an IRA through the NW mutual guy. Good for insurance, but basically Edward Jones quality for financial planning. He suggested whole life, and I ran.

The most important decision will be your first job contract. Make sure to get any promises of partnership buy-in and days on call in writing. I was verbally told about the call schedule for my first job, but did not get it in writing. Big mistake.
Posted by Chris Farley
Regulating
Member since Sep 2009
4182 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 6:21 am to
Pay your debts, stay conservative. This guy just wants to make some commissions.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
12592 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 6:53 am to
quote:

I have a financial advisor hounding around quite aggressively


If you do need a financial advisor then you should probably pick somebody else, ask around for someone that has proven themselves in the long run. Shortly after college I had a financial advisor that was mostly interested in putting me into high commission funds. My in-laws had a financial advisor take off with a good chunk of their money so be careful. I've managed my own finances for the last couple of decades but I enjoy doing it.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 7:50 am to
First, congratulations to you and the wife on the baby and your coming graduations. You demonstrate wisdom in questioning whether to act on the advice of the financial advisor. In answer to your questions, you should consult with a CPA and/or attorney with respect to the advice you are getting from financial advisors.

As a disclaimer, I am a CPA, and I have provided advice to young professionals beginning their careers.
Posted by MDcajuntiger
Denonvilliers' and parts outlying
Member since Sep 2007
1011 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:13 am to
Are you going to be in the Louisiana area or staying in WV?

The person we use is a finical planner who caters only to MDs in South LA. He is excellent. He manages a fair about amount of MDs in BR. He comes to our house at our convenience and is low key or aggressive as you want him to be.

FWIW I used the first year out to just get my feet underneath me, track our income and spending habits, then started looking to investments/planners
Posted by slim thug
Member since Apr 2010
8004 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:05 pm to
I'd also stay away from an advisor that is too aggressive. If he is good enough and established enough, business will find him. He shouldn't have to be out hounding potential clients if he is as good as he says he is.
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
Middle of a layover
Member since Nov 2010
5688 posts
Posted on 7/16/12 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

Would you guys/girls advise getting involved with someone like this? Is it worth the money? Or should I stay conservative until my debts are done and kid is a stable situation?

Don't trust financial planners that hound you. Don't trust accountants to give you investment advice. Don't trust investment managers to consider your tax implications.

Trust me when I say this, you do not need to reach on "other financial ventures" as you say to get significant returns. Dividend paying value stocks, core fixed income, EM fixed income, and long duration fixed income for the carry (yield) advantage will probably yield you better results over the long run than any sort of high beta equity investment.

Think of this example that most people don't realize. If you have a security with a 6% return followed by a 4% loss, it will be worth more than a security with a 60% return and a 40% loss. Investment returns over the next 20 years will be lower than the past 20 years on an aggregate basis. My best advice is to go in 3-4 diversified 40 act mutual funds, diversified across dividend paying equities, emerging market bonds, and core fixed income. The market is EXTREMELY complicated right now, and if you're just looking to just dabble in stock picking you are lamb for the slaughter. It would be like me saying I just want to dabble in heart surgery in my free time, it just doesn't work like that. Vanguard and Fidelity have some good low-fee funds that retail investors can get exposure to. Then just sit back and enjoy your returns and easy sleep.

Keep enough liquidity to handle your needs. I would recommend some sort of CDs, but short-term rates are going to get driven down even more over the next year or two. You're going to see massive amounts of bank capital having to find a home soon due to decreased commercial paper supply, negative real rates (and negative to zero nominal rates in Europe), and a decreasing "preferred habitat" for short-term investing. Hopefully this is somewhat helpful for you, good luck.
Posted by AngryBeavers
Member since Jun 2012
4554 posts
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:51 pm to
Pay your debt off as quickly as possible. More of your income can then go toward investing when your done. Find a financial advisor you are comfortable with after you are debt free.
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
14483 posts
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:11 pm to
The standard FA, at least in my view, is a glorified insurance salesman with slightly better financial acumen.

One should really only settle for a CFP or the rare CFA Personal Advisor. You want someone with legitimate analytical experience who can actually add value to the investment process.

A true frat-star FA shouldn't feel the need to be hounding prospective clients if he's being as aggressive as you imply. You don't want a salesman.
This post was edited on 7/19/12 at 3:54 pm
Posted by NASDAQ
Houston
Member since Apr 2005
1170 posts
Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:54 pm to
Hire an experienced professional for financial planning advice, not a message board. It's worth it.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17675 posts
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:42 am to
quote:

We'll have real earning potential when we finish, and I have a financial advisor hounding around quite aggressively...emails every other week. He works with several recent grads who are now really involved with Stock markets and many other financial ventures. I'm by nature (A poor La boy), and really conservative with money. Would you guys/girls advise getting involved with someone like this? Is it worth the money? Or should I stay conservative until my debts are done and kid is a stable situation?


LSUHSC-S T-Fanatic, there may be a few responses that have attempted to answer your original post, so without reading as redundant:

You should do that which you are comfortable. It is my stance that those who do not understand what they are offered either lose money/value or don't participate. It is very rare that the unknowledged actually succeed.

If anyone is hounding me, I do not advance this relationship. But your definition of "hounding", as "emails every other week", does not meet my criteria for aggression. Is simply reads as though that you are not comfortable with this individual, and that is important.

As I currently understand your post, with the limited information given, your first priorities should be asset protection (personal property, income, life, appropriate documentation), liquidity, income production--meaning, focus on your job duties--and debt elimination, all in a simultaneous method. May read as heavy, but it isn't.

Focus on your marriage, save @15% of your income (when you are out of residency program), enjoy your new child, and then come see me in Nashville.
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