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re: the Penn st. delusion is just scary
Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:36 am to Mr. Tom Morrow
Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:36 am to Mr. Tom Morrow
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but have you ever been to the Tiger Rant or LSU campus grounds on game day? It's no less cult like than some of the crazy attachment people have with JoePa. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional and probably part of the LSU cult.
Have you seen The Rant in full meltdown mode? If LSU so much as runs the wrong Goddamned play on Saturday night the rantards will eat their own children in disgust. Our fanbase is famously critical. I'm not saying that we don't have eternal optimists, but they are damned sure hard to find when something goes wrong. Imagine what would happen if one of our coaches started handling children at football camps. I think the response on the Rant would be 10x's worse than the short side option meltdowns.
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Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:37 am to Mr. Tom Morrow
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Plenty of PSU students and alumni have some strange fascination with JoePa and I agree that it can be strange, but have you ever been to the Tiger Rant or LSU campus grounds on game day? It's no less cult like than some of the crazy attachment people have with JoePa. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional and probably part of the LSU cult.
Does not compute. The Rant does not represent the majority of LSU fans, not close. LSU does not have a "legend" as coach, but a few Miles fans would indeed defend him at all costs, like the many fans on the Rant. The majority would run his arse out.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:38 am to Zamoro10
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Zamoro10
Bull fricking shite. It's so funny when people who don't have a clue act like they do. We Louisiana people aren't sickos who defend rapists and the people who supported them.
You are delusional. Stop saying with certainty something you don't know and deflecting the real argument where its nothing but weirdos and loins defending the legacy a man who helped a guy rape children.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:43 am to Zamoro10
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If LSU were facing anything like this that would destroy their football program and overall legacy - they would DEFEND IT TO THE DEATH!
You really don't understand Louisiana people
Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:44 am to DP40
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The Rant does not represent the majority of LSU fans, not close.
Thanks for making my point. The idiots you see going crazy right now do not represent the majority of PSU fans.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:44 am to Mr. Tom Morrow
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JoePa was with PSU in some sort if coaching capacity for nearly 61 years. That's not a typo.
One of the reasons I said that PSU was a unique situation that the rest of us can't relate to.
But I think it's worth considering that not many other schools would have ever allowed their football coach to reach that status of untouchability, with the possible exception of The Bear at Bama, like you said.
I honestly think pride in the alma mater will always supersede respect for the coach at most schools, and most schools would be rioting to get rid of someone who embarrassed the school, not rioting to protect them.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:46 am to Zamoro10
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they'd probably label Miles not a true Tiger and a rogue coach who they never liked and doesn't represent them...but they'd still want to keep the titles
i completely separate the PSU bullshite and the PSU football team, and i'd do the same with LSU
i think the NCAA should stay the frick out of this, also
joe pa and miles are not comparable. people were raising 10 kinds of shite a few years ago when there was talk he'd be fired. about 1/2-1/3 of the LSU fanbase wants to fire miles right now
Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:46 am to TheDoc
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If LSU were facing anything like this that would destroy their football program and overall legacy - they would DEFEND IT TO THE DEATH!
He is right. JoePa is Penn St football, destroy him it destroys their legacy. LSU does NOT have a legend who built LSU football. Vacate the years of THAT coach, not the entire history of LSU football.
Huge difference.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:49 am to LaBornNRaised
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You are delusional.
From all I've ever read or heard from this site and the Rant...that is the impression LSU projects to the entire world...and their "we are the loudest most passionate fans in the world."
You are delusional if you think the fans stand by and let the football program and it's entire history burn to the ground...because that's what is happening at PSU...and THAT is what the PSU fans are defending!
Posted on 7/15/12 at 10:57 am to LaBornNRaised
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Bull fricking shite. It's so funny when people who don't have a clue act like they do. We Louisiana people aren't sickos who defend rapists and the people who supported them.
First, I haven't seen one person defend Sandusky anywhere. I also can't recall seeing anyone defend Paterno's actions regarding this case since the details of the Freeh report were released. There are people defending his overall legacy, which seems ridiculous to most people (myself included).
Now maybe I'm reading your post wrong, but it seems like you are implying that people who live in Pennsylvania are "sickos who defend rapists and the people who supported them" but people from Louisiana know better. Again, maybe I read that wrong but, if not, I think that is a pretty ill informed statement. I think you would get a vocal minority just about anywhere if the same situation arose (legendary coach who was also a huge figure in the community). There isn't some special quality people from Louisiana have that is absent in Pennsylvania.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:00 am to Zamoro10
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You are delusional if you think the fans stand by and let the football program and it's entire history burn to the ground...because that's what is happening at PSU...and THAT is what the PSU fans are defending!
you see there is a big difference in the structure of our respective histories, though
PSU football = Paterno State U football
their history is too tied to a single man, so bringing down that man brings down their entire history
this isn't comparable to LSU in the slightest.
also, LSU has this weird history where lots of our former heroes did a lot to disgrace themselves
our only heisman winner? felon
the biggest "what could have been" story and our brightest spark of brilliance? still sitting in jail
our only #1 NFL draft pick? colossal bust of epic proportions
LSU has very few sacred cows
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
No, I know Slow...just saying if one coach = football history, memories and accomplishments...LSU would be just as passionate in defending what they love.
Contrary to what some believe, they wouldn't say..."oh, well...it was nice playing football...time to move on."
Contrary to what some believe, they wouldn't say..."oh, well...it was nice playing football...time to move on."
This post was edited on 7/15/12 at 11:04 am
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:05 am to Zamoro10
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You are delusional if you think the fans stand by and let the football program and it's entire history burn to the ground...because that's what is happening at PSU...and THAT is what the PSU fans are defending!
This is exactly what's happening, but I'm positive once the dust settles, cooler heads will have prevailed. You will have clingers, but rational people will realize that JoePa's legacy will no longer be PSU football.
I'm not worried about football anyway, I watch and attend LSU games for that. I'm concerned with the victims, PSU's plan to prevent this, and lastly my potential future problems with having a PSU degree. That last concern is a lot lower on the scale, but I'd be lying if I said it doesn't slightly worry me.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:06 am to Mr. Tom Morrow
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JoePa was with PSU in some sort if coaching capacity for nearly 61 years
There's your problem. He did nothing to deserve 45 years as head coach. 2 national championships in 45 years would have had him ridden out on a rail at LSU. He should have gotten the boot 10 years ago and this would not have the impact on the program that it does.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:08 am to Zamoro10
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just saying if one coach = football history, memories and accomplishments...LSU would be just as passionate in defending what they love.
possibly, but it's to tough to compare because the situations are completely different
urban vs. rural setting
single legacy of success v. multiple coaching failures
i'm not saying it's not possible, but the two are SO different that i can't make the comparisons
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:10 am to Jake88
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He should have gotten the boot 10 years ago and this would not have the impact on the program that it does.
I don't disagree with this.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:14 am to LSUMJ
"Bb-b-but you guys would do it too!!!" is not a legitimate defense.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:18 am to Zamoro10
I have no dog in LSU's fight, but I'd say they're definitely better than you are saying. Bama is the only other SEC team that would concern me defending this evil, but I think the others would turn on their past coaches allowing an evil to this extreme in a heartbeat.
This post was edited on 7/15/12 at 11:25 am
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:26 am to OMLandshark
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I have no dog in LSU's fight, but I'd say they're definitely better than you are.
Not "better", but lsu fans would want to set miles house on fire if he protected a child rapists.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:32 am to TheDoc
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but lsu fans would want to set miles house on fire if he protected a child rapists.
There are LSU fans that want to do that now
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