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Why is no one blaming the players for poor hitting?
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:44 am
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:44 am
All Ive seen is coach-bashing. Just curious why the hitting coach is 100% at fault here.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:46 am to The Mick
The players are somewhat at fault but the buck stops with the coach. He recruits the players, he teaches the players, and he puts the player's name on the lineup card. It stops at the top.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:46 am to The Mick
Because the players go to the plate with a bad approach all year long. The hitting coach should correct them some what, but he didn't.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:47 am to The Mick
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All Ive seen is coach-bashing. Just curious why the hitting coach is 100% at fault here.
Because the perception is that Javi didn't know what he was doing, and that perception was reinforced (rightly or wrongly) by the fact that Dunn replaced Grewe and our staff became lights out (to say nothing of the fact that when Grewe had a two headed monster, his staff was formidable--that is perhaps another topic for another day).
Plus it seems a bit untoward to say Katz and Jones have no concept of the strikezone and, the Arbitron 5000 appears to be created by the United States government to consistently bounce into double plays.
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This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 9:50 am
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:47 am to The Mick
I think enough people have blame Edward and Fields today
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:47 am to The Mick
because everyone already knows the hitting coach is nothing but a coleslaw technician
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:49 am to The Mick
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All Ive seen is coach-bashing. Just curious why the hitting coach is 100% at fault here.
It all comes down to the coach. It starts with recruiting.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:52 am to The Mick
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The Mick
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All Ive seen is coach-bashing. Just curious why the hitting coach is 100% at fault here.
I've seen plenty of folks tell me that the reason we are ultimately not in Omaha is because we have deficient talent for position players and at the plate especially.
Definitely a lot of player-blaming going on amongst folks who defend Maineiri & Sanchez. Definitely.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 9:54 am to The Mick
Im sure it is a mixed bag. I did find it rather interesting that the pitch count going into the 7th inning last night was:
LSU 137
SB 87
LSU definitely has a different hitting philosophy.
LSU 137
SB 87
LSU definitely has a different hitting philosophy.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:08 am to The Mick
Because this team lacks the cerebral part of batting, not just the talent part. They don't work counts. They swing at off-speed pitches on the corners with less than two strikes but take fastballs in the middle of the plate. They have precious little discipline and can't consitently execute some of the more basic fundamentals like bunting or putting the ball in play in given situations.
You expect to have these problems with an individual batter or even the whole team on a "bad day". But LSU batters consistently had these problems throughout the lineup. That indicates a coaching problem.
You expect to have these problems with an individual batter or even the whole team on a "bad day". But LSU batters consistently had these problems throughout the lineup. That indicates a coaching problem.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:19 am to The Mick
Sorry this is a bit long, but you asked a question, so here you go:
Because the problems at the plate are not seen with just a few individual players. The problems are pervasive throughout the entire line-up and they have not been addressed at all, by this coaching staff. They cannot recognize pitches and are guessing most of the time, even against average pitchers. They appear to be clueless about the situation they are hitting in far too often, and both of these issues are the result of poor instruction/lack of instruction.
When your best hitter credits his hitting success to his coaches at LSU-E with no mention of his current coach, there is a huge problem. When Raph got hot at the beginning of the season and his average just kept going up and up, Mainieri even made a point of talking about the strategy used by the coach at LSU-E to turn him into a great singles hitter by changing his approach at the plate. Then you see him not only cool off, as was to be expected at some point, but go into a real slump with no signs of coming out of it, and there was no evidence of any intervention on Javi's part to help him.
Kids can't always tell exactly what they are doing wrong and thus can't really tweak things on their own. That is what Javi is being paid to do, and he has quite simply failed. He has failed LSU and most importantly he has failed these kids. It is way past time for him to go. Our players deserve a real hitting coach who will work with them to maximize their potential during their time at LSU.
Because the problems at the plate are not seen with just a few individual players. The problems are pervasive throughout the entire line-up and they have not been addressed at all, by this coaching staff. They cannot recognize pitches and are guessing most of the time, even against average pitchers. They appear to be clueless about the situation they are hitting in far too often, and both of these issues are the result of poor instruction/lack of instruction.
When your best hitter credits his hitting success to his coaches at LSU-E with no mention of his current coach, there is a huge problem. When Raph got hot at the beginning of the season and his average just kept going up and up, Mainieri even made a point of talking about the strategy used by the coach at LSU-E to turn him into a great singles hitter by changing his approach at the plate. Then you see him not only cool off, as was to be expected at some point, but go into a real slump with no signs of coming out of it, and there was no evidence of any intervention on Javi's part to help him.
Kids can't always tell exactly what they are doing wrong and thus can't really tweak things on their own. That is what Javi is being paid to do, and he has quite simply failed. He has failed LSU and most importantly he has failed these kids. It is way past time for him to go. Our players deserve a real hitting coach who will work with them to maximize their potential during their time at LSU.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 1:03 pm to The Mick
It's America these days it's everywhere from the teacher is terrible cause she gave my baby an f, to always pointing the finger at somebody standing on the sidelines over the person on the field. The new America is now the home of excuses and pointing the finger, forget home of the brave I think he already has 75 pitches he may get hurt cause we raise pussies these days
Posted on 6/11/12 at 1:23 pm to The Mick
Stony Brook's strengths this weekend were LSU's weaknesses and it was glaring.
1-9 SB could bunt, hit for contact, force a deep pitch count, were smart base runners.
1-9 LSU looks like 6 year olds bunting the ball, have relatively little plate discipline, mediocre base running.
Those things show me it's coaching.
1-9 SB could bunt, hit for contact, force a deep pitch count, were smart base runners.
1-9 LSU looks like 6 year olds bunting the ball, have relatively little plate discipline, mediocre base running.
Those things show me it's coaching.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 1:53 pm to The Mick
it's not the players fault... Maneri recruited them... his fault.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 2:25 pm to The Mick
Because it stops at the coach. In this case, the hitting coach.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 2:37 pm to The Mick
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Why is no one blaming the players for poor hitting?All Ive seen is coach-bashing
Mack Brown has a philosophy he uses in his dealings with assistant coaches. He tells them that if one of their players is not performing, then that's a problem with the player and the player can be replaced, but if all of their players aren't performing, then the players probably aren't the problem and the coach needs to be replaced.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 3:16 pm to The Mick
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All Ive seen is coach-bashing. Just curious why the hitting coach is 100% at fault here.
I think mainly b/c it's shitty to blame a group of kids and people are looking to blame something/someone.
It's certainly a combo of both with regards to subpar hitting, but I have to agree with the arguments about the approach to the plate when their pitcher has barely more than 20 pitches through the first few innings and our guy is closing in on 60.
Great season to the baseball team! Too bad they couldn't put some magic together in game 3.
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Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:12 pm to The Mick
Combo of poor recruiting and development.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:39 am to The Mick
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Because this team lacks the cerebral part of batting, not just the talent part. They don't work counts. They swing at off-speed pitches on the corners with less than two strikes but take fastballs in the middle of the plate. They have precious little discipline and can't consitently execute some of the more basic fundamentals like bunting or putting the ball in play in given situations.
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