re: The Knight of The Laughing Tree - Massive Song of Ice and Fire Spoilers!!!!!

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Martin does set up many "obvious" story lines, just so he can go in a completely different direction.

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Yeah, I could see Jon turning against his brothers, assuming that he is resurrected.

He was doing everything he could to save humanity and they literally stab him in the back. It would be par for the course if Jon somehow becomes a Wight or Other and goes against the Wall.

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Jon ... the anti- ptwp

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I think we are on to something here.

It is The Song of Ice and Fire.

There are plenty of POV characters to represent Fire. Jon, the Anti-PtwP, would give us a great POV from the "Ice" faction of the story.

Everything points to R+L=J. But that does not necessarily make Jon tPtwP. Plenty of other candidates:

Stannis (too obvious?)
Aegon (Rhaegar seems to believe so)
Tommen (could he have Targaryen blood?)
Bran (being trained by a Targaryen to 'fly')

Also, I read that Martin may have confirmed Azor Ahai is tPtwP.

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, an explicit connection of Stannis Baratheon to the prophecy of "the prince who was promised", clearly indicating that this prophecy and the prophecy of Azor Ahai reborn deal with the same prophesized savior.

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Absolutely. "Bitch" is the lead for the Song of Fire.

Of course, there is one 'huge' problem with your statement above. But I'll say no more...

So, if "Bitch" is most obvious, who are the other two? There are three dragons after all.

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Rhaegor tells us, "There must be one more...The dragon has three heads".

If Bran is learning to "fly" from a Targaryen, is he the third head, tPtwP, or something else?

(p.s. I don't know why I'm worried about spoilers this far into a Massive Spoiler Thread?)

Joe does make the most sense. Which is weird since he was "Ceasared"

I keep coming back to Bran. Learning to fly from a Targ and riding on Hodor paint that picture for me. He is in the right place, regarding your great other theory. But, his wolf is named Summer and I think that seals Brans fate.

I only have one idea for Tyrion's fate - Lord of Casterly Rock. Oh the irony.

Speaking of Massive Spoilers and Tyrion and Bran:

Anyone ever wonder just what caused Tywin Lannister to resign as Hand of the King to Aerys II after 20 years of service and friendship? We are told he was offended by Aerys denying the Cersei offer as Rhaegar's bride. We also know the Mad King had a serious hard on for Joanna Lannister...something made ol Ty pack his shite and family out of K's Landing and back to the 'Rock quick fast and in a hurry...then Joanna dies in childbirth w Tyrion...that's my pet theory. Here's another:

Howland Reed has become the biggest Red Herring Martin has thrown to date. We will be shocked and dismayed when we learn of his death (or that he's been dead for a while) without ever meeting Jon or "The Big Reveal" The answers lie with he who may not realize he has them, cuz he has so many....ahem BRAN, ahem.

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Since tKotLT was small in stature, my prediction is that Benjen Stark will be revealed as Knight of the Laughing Tree. The sigil on the shield does suggest a Stark. And the Pup is mentioned several times during the story.

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Something else which I hope I just didn't totally miss or forgotten... Why did Benjen Stark take the black?

I assume it was his plan for quite a while growing up...he was third in line for Lord of Winterfell behind Brandon and Eddard. Once Eddard had heirs, he was SOL pretty much completely, and it was an honorable choice for a highborn younger brother. Many noble houses did this, as was the case with the character in the first POV in AGoT.

I doubt he was convicted or sentenced to The Wall, if that's what you're asking...

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Speaking of Massive Spoilers and Tyrion and Bran:

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I like the idea that Tyrion could be a Targaryen. I can't quite put that together, but your pet thoery on Mad King and Joanna works.

Mostly I just see Tywin as ruthless and constantly planning a way to put a Lannister on the Iron Throne. My (somewhat) pet theory is that when Jamie was added to the Kings Guard, Tywin planned to use him as the Mad King's assassin as part of his larger plot to put Cercei back on the Iron Throne through Robert. Thus he returned to The Rock in order to put together his army under the guise that he was butthurt.

How the Howland Reed, Jojen, and Bran reveal will play out is anyone's guess. I don't know if Martin will ever tell us the identity of tKofLT. But Howland's story at the Tower of Joy must be told. Bran might know. Or, the answer could be revealed through another Stark already close to Greywater Watch.

Enter Sansa Stark under the care of the Lord of the Little Finger, Petyr Baelish, Protector of the Vale.

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He can commune with weirwoods, for heaven's sake. There is no way he is becoming something terrible. The First Men and the Children of the forest were the original fighters of the Others during the first Long Night.

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They supposedly fought the others yet Bloodraven is able to control Coldhands who is essentially a wight.....

Don't you find that odd and more than a little disturbing?