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The real reason no half time adjustments were made.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:30 am
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:30 am
Hear me out... If you watched the offensive play in the first half every drive was spoiled by stupid player mistakes and not so much that Bama was shutting us down. The fumbled snap by JJ on the 3rd and 2 on the first drive.... The two times Hurst jumped for false starts...Blatant missed blocking assignments by the offensive line...Spencer Ware having a ball go right through his hands on a crucial third down which would have been a nice gain had he caught it (many will argue this was a hard catch to make but if we want to compete with Bama the tough catches should be expected to be made...Bama was makeing most of theirs).
I could see Les saying to himself at halftime, "If the players can't execute the plays we practiced for the last month, why would I want to switch anything up and make it worse?" Plus, the game plan was never given a shot in the first half for the above reasons but it looked very promising.
Again, this is all my opinion base on watching the game again (a couple of times)....The start of the 3rd quarter went well. We slowed them down with our defense, yes they managed a FG on 5 plays, then LSU got the ball back and came out swinging....we threw the ball for first downs, but then an unengaged O-lineman lets Upshaw go completely unblocked for a big sack resulting in a 3rd and 14....again the game plan was foiled by a silly error.
I can't explain why we ran so much in the last half of the fourth quarter and basically conceded the game but I can definitely see why little to no halftime adjustments were made.
I also understand, stupid player mistakes fall back on the coach so he definitely deserves some criticism for not getting the players ready to play....but as far as not making any halftime offensive gameplan adjustments I think he was completely justified.
just my $0.02
I could see Les saying to himself at halftime, "If the players can't execute the plays we practiced for the last month, why would I want to switch anything up and make it worse?" Plus, the game plan was never given a shot in the first half for the above reasons but it looked very promising.
Again, this is all my opinion base on watching the game again (a couple of times)....The start of the 3rd quarter went well. We slowed them down with our defense, yes they managed a FG on 5 plays, then LSU got the ball back and came out swinging....we threw the ball for first downs, but then an unengaged O-lineman lets Upshaw go completely unblocked for a big sack resulting in a 3rd and 14....again the game plan was foiled by a silly error.
I can't explain why we ran so much in the last half of the fourth quarter and basically conceded the game but I can definitely see why little to no halftime adjustments were made.
I also understand, stupid player mistakes fall back on the coach so he definitely deserves some criticism for not getting the players ready to play....but as far as not making any halftime offensive gameplan adjustments I think he was completely justified.
just my $0.02
This post was edited on 1/13/12 at 2:33 pm
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Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:32 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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spoiled by stupid player mistakes
this will always happen. you have to be prepared for penalties and dropped passes. The gameplan was shite and it showed. This is not on the players.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:33 am to Hugo Stiglitz
I'm not one of the people running around saying JJ is a terrible person. But I will say that he isn't a good QB, and played the worst game of his life on the biggest possible stage. I'm not sure why he wasn't replaced with JL, but I'm confident that there wasn't a play we could call with this QB, against that defense, that would have worked Monday night.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:33 am to Hugo Stiglitz
So you're saying LSU was not well prepared. Those mistakes are inexcusable in a regular game, much less in a national championship game when you have a month to prepare.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:34 am to ashy larry
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This is not on the players.
Its on the Coaches, The Players, The entire administration.
Winning works the same way also
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:36 am to Hugo Stiglitz
I think the biggest reason was we were still in the game and Les and co. were waiting for that big play we've gotten all season to happen and get the momentum rolling. A punt return, a pick 6, a strip and recovery on Bama's side of the field.
What is really frustrating though, is you can't count on that stuff every game. And you certainly couldn't against that Bama team. We weren't making that play against that team on that particular night. They weren't allowing it and we came out without the swag to do it. Clearly, we should have adjusted and thrown the kitchen sink at 'em. We didn't. It sucks. The world keeps turning.
What is really frustrating though, is you can't count on that stuff every game. And you certainly couldn't against that Bama team. We weren't making that play against that team on that particular night. They weren't allowing it and we came out without the swag to do it. Clearly, we should have adjusted and thrown the kitchen sink at 'em. We didn't. It sucks. The world keeps turning.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:41 am to Hot Carl
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I think the biggest reason was we were still in the game and Les and co. were waiting for that big play we've gotten all season to happen and get the momentum rolling. A punt return, a pick 6, a strip and recovery on Bama's side of the field.
What is really frustrating though, is you can't count on that stuff every game. And you certainly couldn't against that Bama team. We weren't making that play against that team on that particular night. They weren't allowing it and we came out without the swag to do it. Clearly, we should have adjusted and thrown the kitchen sink at 'em. We didn't. It sucks
This.
I am a staunch supporter. And the game Monday was what we all felt would happen if things went to crap.
Even during the 9 glourious days of JL starting our passing game really was lackluster. We depended on turnovers, defense and a running game,
We all had a pit in our stomach knowing we were subpar offensively no matter the QB. We came up on a buzzsaw of a D, with our less than average O and just got whipped.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:49 am to MoreOrLes
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Its on the Coaches, The Players, The entire administration.
Winning works the same way also
Blaming the players for Monday night is like blaming someone for losing a gun fight when all they had was a pocket knife.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:54 am to ashy larry
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Plus, the game plan was never given a shot in the first half for the above reasons but it looked very promising.
WTF?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:55 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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HugoStiglitz
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The start of the 3rd quarter went well. We shut them down with our defense got the ball back and came out swinging
No, we didn't. They got the ball to start, & drove down & kicked a field goal, dude. I stopped reading after that.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:58 am to houstontiger
players have more blame than a shite gameplan by coaches. missed blocking assignments and horrible qb play are players fault and cannot be corrected by gameplan (although it was crap as well).
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:58 am to ashy larry
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Blaming the players for Monday night is like blaming someone for losing a gun fight when all they had was a pocket knife.
So are you saying the coaches were supposed to make the o-line push the Alabama d-line off the LOS? The running game part is all about the o-line winning the battle in the trenches.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:07 pm to Will2nd
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The running game part is all about the o-line winning the battle in the trenches.
it is, but the coaches, after seeing the bama d-ends lining up wide, could have changed blocking schemes to deal with those rushers being so far outside the tackle.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:29 pm to ashy larry
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this will always happen. you have to be prepared for penalties and dropped passes. The gameplan was @#!*% and it showed. This is not on the players.
Then we really don't know just howo well Bama was prepared then.....
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:30 pm to ashy larry
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The gameplan was shite and it showed.
END THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:38 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
This game was lost months ago & not just the weeks leading up the NCG. Once Jefferson was suspended & Lee was proclaimed the starter, Miles should have prepared Mett more.
During Jefferson's suspension, Mett was only one snap from becoming the starter if Lee ever went down with injury during the first 8 games. He should have gotten more live action for just in case purposes especially during some of those early blowout games.
Once Jefferson returned from suspension the two quarterback system should have continued. Neither Lee or Jefferson are game changers but they both do different things well. If there were indeed any issues with Lee after the first Alabama, then playing Mett earlier would have prepared him to be able to step in & fill the void that was created from that.
Giving Jefferson the only keys to the offense was the worst mistake Miles could have made especially with having to face Alabama again in the NCG. This year's LSU team could have overcome the mistakes of Jefferson against any other team in the country except against Alabama. They prepared for the option with Jefferson & once that was taken away, Jefferson was sitting duck because he just wasn't going to able to make the throws that were needed.
The area to attack Alabama's 3-4 defense would have been to get receivers on top of their LB's & underneath the safeties. They would have been better to attack this area on first down. With that said, that would have required a quarterback who can throw the ball on time & Jefferson just wasn't that quarterback.
Early in the game, Jefferson had time but he just didn't pull the trigger. Once everything snowballed, Saban & Smart brought the blitz which in return gave the passing game no chance. The O-Line couldn't block it & Ware missed several blitz pickups himself.
Truth of the matter is, Miles put Jefferson & the team in a situation to fail against Alabama. It's a coach's responsibility to put his players on the team in the best possible position to succeed. Miles overlooked the fact that Jefferson was never consistent as a quarterback especially as a passer. He should have given Lee a chance against Alabama & if he had played & prepared Mett earlier this season then he could have had another option in Mett.
Miles put all of his eggs in the Jefferson basket but in the end, all those eggs turned out to be rotten. Now Miles has to live with the lingering stench of those rotten eggs.
During Jefferson's suspension, Mett was only one snap from becoming the starter if Lee ever went down with injury during the first 8 games. He should have gotten more live action for just in case purposes especially during some of those early blowout games.
Once Jefferson returned from suspension the two quarterback system should have continued. Neither Lee or Jefferson are game changers but they both do different things well. If there were indeed any issues with Lee after the first Alabama, then playing Mett earlier would have prepared him to be able to step in & fill the void that was created from that.
Giving Jefferson the only keys to the offense was the worst mistake Miles could have made especially with having to face Alabama again in the NCG. This year's LSU team could have overcome the mistakes of Jefferson against any other team in the country except against Alabama. They prepared for the option with Jefferson & once that was taken away, Jefferson was sitting duck because he just wasn't going to able to make the throws that were needed.
The area to attack Alabama's 3-4 defense would have been to get receivers on top of their LB's & underneath the safeties. They would have been better to attack this area on first down. With that said, that would have required a quarterback who can throw the ball on time & Jefferson just wasn't that quarterback.
Early in the game, Jefferson had time but he just didn't pull the trigger. Once everything snowballed, Saban & Smart brought the blitz which in return gave the passing game no chance. The O-Line couldn't block it & Ware missed several blitz pickups himself.
Truth of the matter is, Miles put Jefferson & the team in a situation to fail against Alabama. It's a coach's responsibility to put his players on the team in the best possible position to succeed. Miles overlooked the fact that Jefferson was never consistent as a quarterback especially as a passer. He should have given Lee a chance against Alabama & if he had played & prepared Mett earlier this season then he could have had another option in Mett.
Miles put all of his eggs in the Jefferson basket but in the end, all those eggs turned out to be rotten. Now Miles has to live with the lingering stench of those rotten eggs.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:39 pm to GFunk
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No, we didn't. They got the ball to start, & drove down & kicked a field goal, dude. I stopped reading after that.
Yeah, my mistake, they got two first downs on first down and then went 3 and FG...defense still limited them to 5 plays on this drive.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:42 pm to BigBrod81
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Miles put all of his eggs in the Jefferson basket but in the end, all those eggs turned out to be rotten. Now Miles has to live with the lingering stench of those rotten eggs.
This is a very valid point...the JJ basket is now gone and I hope the stench stays with Miles long enough so this type of mistake is avoided in the future.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:50 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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but I can definitely see why little to no halftime adjustments were made.
This , written by the same guy who posted on November 30th:
"I don't give a rat's arse if JLee is the next Tom Brady (which he's not), Les just went 12-EAUX in the toughest division in the toughest conference in all of football. Coach Les Miles can do no wrong. Suck yourself critics! "
Yep, Hugo believes Coach Les Miles can do no wrong. That's his right, certainly. But it sure takes away from any pretense of being objective in his Opening post!
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:56 pm to BigBrod81
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This game was lost months ago & not just the weeks leading up the NCG. Once Jefferson was suspended & Lee was proclaimed the starter, Miles should have prepared Mett more.
During Jefferson's suspension, Mett was only one snap from becoming the starter if Lee ever went down with injury during the first 8 games. He should have gotten more live action for just in case purposes especially during some of those early blowout games.
Once Jefferson returned from suspension the two quarterback system should have continued. Neither Lee or Jefferson are game changers but they both do different things well. If there were indeed any issues with Lee after the first Alabama, then playing Mett earlier would have prepared him to be able to step in & fill the void that was created from that.
Giving Jefferson the only keys to the offense was the worst mistake Miles could have made especially with having to face Alabama again in the NCG. This year's LSU team could have overcome the mistakes of Jefferson against any other team in the country except against Alabama. They prepared for the option with Jefferson & once that was taken away, Jefferson was sitting duck because he just wasn't going to able to make the throws that were needed.
The area to attack Alabama's 3-4 defense would have been to get receivers on top of their LB's & underneath the safeties. They would have been better to attack this area on first down. With that said, that would have required a quarterback who can throw the ball on time & Jefferson just wasn't that quarterback.
Early in the game, Jefferson had time but he just didn't pull the trigger. Once everything snowballed, Saban & Smart brought the blitz which in return gave the passing game no chance. The O-Line couldn't block it & Ware missed several blitz pickups himself.
Truth of the matter is, Miles put Jefferson & the team in a situation to fail against Alabama. It's a coach's responsibility to put his players on the team in the best possible position to succeed. Miles overlooked the fact that Jefferson was never consistent as a quarterback especially as a passer. He should have given Lee a chance against Alabama & if he had played & prepared Mett earlier this season then he could have had another option in Mett.
Miles put all of his eggs in the Jefferson basket but in the end, all those eggs turned out to be rotten. Now Miles has to live with the lingering stench of those rotten eggs.
That's simply well done. Nice analysis.
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