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Posted on 10/16/11 at 10:50 am to KillerNut9
Just because a team is playing boatloads of young players doesn't mean they will be great in a year or two, it only proves that they were wildly mismanaged for a while.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 11:00 am to BuddyLufkin
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Just because a team is playing boatloads of young players doesn't mean they will be great in a year or two
Never said it will result in them being great.
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it only proves that they were wildly mismanaged for a while
Not at all. The various suspensions, combined with a few injuries, have been the main cause.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 11:05 am to KillerNut9
texas should have a chance next season. ou and ok st. both lose some players.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 11:11 am to BuddyLufkin
Auburn played the most true freshmen this year I believe - yea they're being wildly mismanaged.
This post was edited on 10/16/11 at 11:12 am
Posted on 10/16/11 at 11:24 am to KillerNut9
the answer is osu.
they have a lot of talent, are apparently not looking at usc style sanctions, and will hire a damn good coach. it also helps they will have an easier road to the bcs in the B1G than uf in the sec.
UF is #2, behind osu because of schedule difficulty.
UT 3rd because i think mack is lost and is not doing a good job of talent evaluation. he is taking the first "top tier" talent willing to commit, thats not the absolute best talent though.
usc is fricked bc of the sanctions and rise of oregon, stanford, and to a lesser degree asu.
they have a lot of talent, are apparently not looking at usc style sanctions, and will hire a damn good coach. it also helps they will have an easier road to the bcs in the B1G than uf in the sec.
UF is #2, behind osu because of schedule difficulty.
UT 3rd because i think mack is lost and is not doing a good job of talent evaluation. he is taking the first "top tier" talent willing to commit, thats not the absolute best talent though.
usc is fricked bc of the sanctions and rise of oregon, stanford, and to a lesser degree asu.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 11:31 am to xenythx
I'd throw Penn St. in there too... once JoePa dies and they get Saban, they WILL return to prominence once again...
but from the ones you listed, Ohio State because they'll get Meyer to coach next season... they have talent, the coach is just in over his head right now...
USC better had enjoyed the 2004 NC b/c it's likely the last one for awhile... Kiffin is a fraud, in every way, and he'll never get them to where Petey did... Muschamp is a high energy guy, but i just don't see him having success as the head coach of a major program... some guys are just best as a cooridinator, and he seems to fit that mold.... and Texas gets all the talent in the world, only to piss it away every season.... they are going to really have a a tough time once A&M goes to the SEC if they continue losing... A&M will be able to offer recruits a chance to play in a top flight league that garners a lot of attention from NFL scouts, something that Texas can't offer.... add losing to that and well, it could be a rough stretch for Texas in the future...
but from the ones you listed, Ohio State because they'll get Meyer to coach next season... they have talent, the coach is just in over his head right now...
USC better had enjoyed the 2004 NC b/c it's likely the last one for awhile... Kiffin is a fraud, in every way, and he'll never get them to where Petey did... Muschamp is a high energy guy, but i just don't see him having success as the head coach of a major program... some guys are just best as a cooridinator, and he seems to fit that mold.... and Texas gets all the talent in the world, only to piss it away every season.... they are going to really have a a tough time once A&M goes to the SEC if they continue losing... A&M will be able to offer recruits a chance to play in a top flight league that garners a lot of attention from NFL scouts, something that Texas can't offer.... add losing to that and well, it could be a rough stretch for Texas in the future...
Posted on 10/16/11 at 11:33 am to xenythx
I'd throw Penn St. in there too... once JoePa dies and they get Saban, they WILL return to prominence once again...
but from the ones you listed, Ohio State because they'll get Meyer to coach next season... they have talent, the coach is just in over his head right now...
USC better had enjoyed the 2004 NC b/c it's likely the last one for awhile... Kiffin is a fraud, in every way, and he'll never get them to where Petey did... Muschamp is a high energy guy, but i just don't see him having success as the head coach of a major program... some guys are just best as a cooridinator, and he seems to fit that mold.... and Texas gets all the talent in the world, only to piss it away every season.... they are going to really have a a tough time once A&M goes to the SEC if they continue losing... A&M will be able to offer recruits a chance to play in a top flight league that garners a lot of attention from NFL scouts, something that Texas can't offer.... add losing to that and well, it could be a rough stretch for Texas in the future...
but from the ones you listed, Ohio State because they'll get Meyer to coach next season... they have talent, the coach is just in over his head right now...
USC better had enjoyed the 2004 NC b/c it's likely the last one for awhile... Kiffin is a fraud, in every way, and he'll never get them to where Petey did... Muschamp is a high energy guy, but i just don't see him having success as the head coach of a major program... some guys are just best as a cooridinator, and he seems to fit that mold.... and Texas gets all the talent in the world, only to piss it away every season.... they are going to really have a a tough time once A&M goes to the SEC if they continue losing... A&M will be able to offer recruits a chance to play in a top flight league that garners a lot of attention from NFL scouts, something that Texas can't offer.... add losing to that and well, it could be a rough stretch for Texas in the future...
Posted on 10/16/11 at 11:34 am to jcole4lsu
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usc is fricked bc of the sanctions and rise of oregon, stanford, and to a lesser degree asu.
These teams getting better isn't that big of a deal as USC is always going to outrecruit them no matter the situation. The most dangerous proposition s the potential for Neuheisal getting fired. UCLA and Cal's complete ineptness is helping to keep USC afloat
Posted on 10/16/11 at 11:41 am to chRxis
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I'd throw Penn St. in there too... once JoePa dies and they get Saban, they WILL return to prominence once again
why in the frick would saban leave bama for psu
Posted on 10/16/11 at 11:46 am to rocket31
OSU has a better mixture of young and experience talent than Texas does.
I'd be surprised if OSU doesn't win the Big X next year
I'd be surprised if OSU doesn't win the Big X next year
Posted on 10/16/11 at 12:03 pm to usc6158
USC only gets 15 recruits a year. They are fricked. Add in the fact that they have a staff that is coaching them down instead of up and you get disaster. It's going to take a long time for USC to recover.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 12:14 pm to jcole4lsu
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the answer is osu.
they have a lot of talent, are apparently not looking at usc style sanctions, and will hire a damn good coach
That's a big IF...they just lost Tressel and Pryor and took a major step back so far...this is their "we're still good because we're in that transition period and Tressel isn't too far removed from the program" - this is actually their interim "honeymoon." They will slide further under Fickell...next year will be worse...then they will finally fire Fickell and from the there the rebuilding begins which will take 2 years. Michigan is going up...Ohio State is just beginning to go down...they will hit rock bottom and be forced to fire Fickell before they start the long road back. They are just beginning the "getting bad" period after losing a legend.
Ohio State won't be Top 10 for a good 3-4 years as Michigan is building up along with Nebraska during the this period. The Big 10 goes in cycles when only two teams are really great at any given time.
This post was edited on 10/16/11 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/16/11 at 12:42 pm to Zamoro10
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They will slide further under Fickell...next year will be worse...then they will finally fire Fickell and from the there the rebuilding begins which will take 2 years.
I'm thinking Fickell is a one year deal and they will hire a top flight coach next season
Posted on 10/16/11 at 12:58 pm to jcole4lsu
I think it's Texas since they have the least amount of issues at head coach. I'm not sure why everyone assumes OSU will get an elite coach. That rarely happens. Just look at elite programs hires over the last few years. No grand slam hires. Some good ones but mostly a lot of reaches - muschamp, golden, fisher. Hell, OSU had a ton of talent when they last needed to hire a coach - and they had to go to Tressel who was a division 2 coach.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 1:23 pm to Zamoro10
Fick's gone after this year, dude. Hell they may have a replacement before the bowl game.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 1:26 pm to Cold Pizza
1. Texas - Lots of young talent, should compete for the Big12 title next season.
2. UF - Pretty good talent level overall, but uncertainty at QB. It'll be tough for them with UGA rising next season.
3. Ohio State - Just don't know what to think here. I really think it's too early to tell how they'll be in the next few years.
4. USC - Lots of talent, but losing Barkley will hurt. Still not sold on Kiffin as a big-game coach.
2. UF - Pretty good talent level overall, but uncertainty at QB. It'll be tough for them with UGA rising next season.
3. Ohio State - Just don't know what to think here. I really think it's too early to tell how they'll be in the next few years.
4. USC - Lots of talent, but losing Barkley will hurt. Still not sold on Kiffin as a big-game coach.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 2:11 pm to Cold Pizza
texas because of recruiting and the qb and wr are just young
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:00 pm to xenythx
OSU will contend for B1G titles almost immediately, but that won't win them any BCS championship anytime soon.
Texas won't contend for a BCS championship until Mack Brown places a greater emphasis on strength and conditioning. No matter how much individual talent he amasses they just don't seem to have the same fire as players at other schools. He needs a Vince Young or Colt McCoy type leader to carry his team.
USC is screwed with hte NCAA sanctions about to have effect on their depth.
That leaves Florida provided Muschamp is not a total disaster as a head coach. He has been around enough winners to know what works and what doesn't. He realizes the shortcomings Florida has had with strength and conditioning, and he has taken steps to fix the problem. He hired coordinators with good pedigrees. If he can recruit players to fit the schemes his coordinators want to run, then Florida should be tough real soon.
Texas won't contend for a BCS championship until Mack Brown places a greater emphasis on strength and conditioning. No matter how much individual talent he amasses they just don't seem to have the same fire as players at other schools. He needs a Vince Young or Colt McCoy type leader to carry his team.
USC is screwed with hte NCAA sanctions about to have effect on their depth.
That leaves Florida provided Muschamp is not a total disaster as a head coach. He has been around enough winners to know what works and what doesn't. He realizes the shortcomings Florida has had with strength and conditioning, and he has taken steps to fix the problem. He hired coordinators with good pedigrees. If he can recruit players to fit the schemes his coordinators want to run, then Florida should be tough real soon.
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