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re: BCS Early Computer Rankings - Wow
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:03 am to rbdallas
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:03 am to rbdallas
quote:I'll attempt to explain this, and while it may make sense after to you, there will still surely be people on this board who don't get it. Here goes:
according to the chart Boise has played a stronger schedule ???
that's what's weird to me....
Strength of Schedule is not as simple as "this is who we played". We played Oregon, but OUR strenght of schedule also factors in who else Oregon has played. And who else those teams that Oregan has played, have played.
So this early in the season, while Boise may have played a bunch of teams we view as cupcakes, those cupcake teams have played BCS teams as those BCS teams cupcake games. As the season wears on, and the Idaho's of the world begin to play their shitty conference opponents, and the Oregon's and West Virginia's get into their conference games, all of the matrix polls begin to sort themselves out once teams get into conference play, because teams are then playing similiar competition.
I know this was a shitty attempt at an explanation, but hopefully it is enough to at least get the point across. By week 8, if LSU is still undefeated, our SOS and computer rankings will be between 1 and 7, and of course the lowest gets dropped. Alabama and LSU will be heavy at 1-2 in ALL computer polls by the time the matter.
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Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:06 am to USMCTiger03
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Colley is freakin weird. It is geared more toward late season results and always has some odd ranking early to mid season.
ETA:
From what I recall, it starts off all teams even.
FWIW, this only way to make a computer poll completely objective, it would seem.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:06 am to FTL Tiger
quote:
4. Boise State
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:08 am to bee Rye
quote:
I'll attempt to explain this, and while it may make sense after to you, there will still surely be people on this board who don't get it. Here goes:
Strength of Schedule is not as simple as "this is who we played". We played Oregon, but OUR strenght of schedule also factors in who else Oregon has played. And who else those teams that Oregan has played, have played.
So this early in the season, while Boise may have played a bunch of teams we view as cupcakes, those cupcake teams have played BCS teams as those BCS teams cupcake games. As the season wears on, and the Idaho's of the world begin to play their shitty conference opponents, and the Oregon's and West Virginia's get into their conference games, all of the matrix polls begin to sort themselves out once teams get into conference play, because teams are then playing similiar competition.
I know this was a shitty attempt at an explanation, but hopefully it is enough to at least get the point across. By week 8, if LSU is still undefeated, our SOS and computer rankings will be between 1 and 7, and of course the lowest gets dropped. Alabama and LSU will be heavy at 1-2 in ALL computer polls by the time the matter.
Totally makes sense, which is why BCS doesn't start until week 8.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:11 am to TigerDeBaiter
glad it wasn't too confusing 
its not an extremely easy concept to explain in a few paragraphs
its not an extremely easy concept to explain in a few paragraphs
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:14 am to FTL Tiger
All you have to do is look at the schedule rankings to know neither of these Jack Asses no anything about college football. Pay it no mind.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:14 am to FTL Tiger
Wow these rankings are tarded
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:15 am to texastigerr
quote:methinks you don't quite understand. see my posts further up the page
All you have to do is look at the schedule rankings to know neither of these Jack Asses no anything about college football. Pay it no mind.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:16 am to bee Rye
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its not an extremely easy concept to explain in a few paragraphs
The biggest problem thus far for LSU in some of these computer rankings is Northwestern St. Texas and other teams are ahead of us because they have not played FCS teams. It is plain and simple. Oregon and WVU are good, but they do not make up for one of the teams on our schedule being ranked 200-ish.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:18 am to slackster
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The biggest problem thus far for LSU in some of these computer rankings is Northwestern St.
not really, it's that Mississippi State continued to lose after we played them
But it'll all sort itself out.. Oregon and WV wins will become enormous assets in the BCS race.
Same thing happened in 2007. The VT game may have been the single most important win for our BCSNC run that year.
eta: 2007 Colley pre-Bowl
This post was edited on 10/4/11 at 10:21 am
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:19 am to slackster
quote:with the computers, it all depends on which one really. some don't even factor in games vs FCS schools. Didn't really even want to open up that can of worms if people don't understand the basics of it
The biggest problem thus far for LSU in some of these computer rankings is Northwestern St. Texas and other teams are ahead of us because they have not played FCS teams. It is plain and simple. Oregon and WVU are good, but they do not make up for one of the teams on our schedule being ranked 200-ish.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:21 am to baytiger
quote:not totally true. by the end of the season, playing a 2-10 SEC team will carry more weight than playing a 10-2 Sun Belt team.
not really, it's that Mississippi State continued to lose after we played them
but like you said, it will all sort itself out
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:22 am to baytiger
quote:same will hold true this year with WVU and Oregon if they continue to win
Same thing happened in 2007. The VT game may have been the single most important win for our BCSNC run that year.
eta: 2007 Colley pre-Bowl
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:23 am to bee Rye
quote:
not totally true. by the end of the season, playing a 2-10 SEC team will carry more weight than playing a 10-2 Sun Belt team.
yeah, but NWST is part of our OOC. All teams play some bad OOC games.
WV + OU will outweigh the NWST + WKU liability
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:24 am to Suntiger
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I just don't get how we can be ahead in both polls and have simalar schedules and be that far below
because computer rankings use formulas and is not in any way based on the human polls. Polls are not some given truth and this early in the season, the data will be skewed. It doesn't matter.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:24 am to baytiger
no doubt. our SOS will continue to rise as the season wears on
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:36 am to bee Rye
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playing a 2-10 SEC team will carry more weight than playing a 10-2 Sun Belt team
WUT?
No, sorry. Computers, unlike fans, do not score based on conference affiliation. Houston is a better team than Vandy and would do more for your computer ranking.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:38 am to H-Town Tiger
but a 10-2 FCS team, especially in the Colley, carries no weight at all, since the FCS teams are all lumped together anyway.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:39 am to baytiger
relax. as of now the teams with the top strength of schedule are Tulsa and Florida Atlantic.
Posted on 10/4/11 at 10:39 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:first off, Houston is in CUSA, not the Sun Belt. And I can assure you, the computers "know" which teams are in tougher conferences.
No, sorry. Computers, unlike fans, do not score based on conference affiliation. Houston is a better team than Vandy and would do more for your computer ranking.
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