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Which is better? La'el playing at LG in 2011 or redshirting to stay at LT
Posted on 8/6/11 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 8/6/11 at 4:41 pm
I was surprise to read the report that Collins was working at 2nd team LG today. Maybe, Faulk and Davenport are looking really good or maybe Collins would make a better.
Either way, I'd like to see him redshirt if possible. In order to get more space between he and Faulk.
Either way, I'd like to see him redshirt if possible. In order to get more space between he and Faulk.
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Posted on 8/6/11 at 4:42 pm to Toughcrittercrumb1
he can be 2nd string LG this year and still redshirt (assuming no injuries)
Posted on 8/6/11 at 4:47 pm to Toughcrittercrumb1
I think I'll defer to the relevant persons who make such a decision. You know, the coaches.
Posted on 8/6/11 at 4:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
It makes very little sense to redshirt guys like Collins.
The playing time and reps as a player on the 2 deep makes a huge difference in year two...and there is almost zero chance that you'd keep that player for 5 years anyway.
The playing time and reps as a player on the 2 deep makes a huge difference in year two...and there is almost zero chance that you'd keep that player for 5 years anyway.
Posted on 8/6/11 at 4:49 pm to moneyg
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and there is almost zero chance that you'd keep that player for 5 years anyway.
we don't get that many players who leave early
Posted on 8/6/11 at 4:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
Oline usually stays a long time. Doesn't seem like they leave early that often anyway.
Posted on 8/6/11 at 4:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we don't get that many players who leave early
I'd don't think we've gotten an OL recruit who was this physically ready in a long time. Probably not since Whitworth (who did redshirt) or Wilkerson (who came in due to injury during his freshman year.
Collins is physically amazing. He is a road grader. I have always felt it's best for OL to redshirt, but I have a feeling he gets in this year.
If we did reshirt him and he got three full years to start at either tackle spot (barring injuries) he really might be out of here after his junior year. Might as well use him this year at guard where he is most needed. Next year he can go to right tackle and eventually work his way to left tackle.
Posted on 8/6/11 at 4:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we don't get that many players who leave early
We also don't get many 5 star LTs with NFL size day 1. Plus, the new NFL rookie scale is going to make coming out more prevalent...especially as it relates to staying 5 years (which is what the discussion is about).
Collins isn't going to stay 5 years unless he doesn't live up to his billing...in which case the redshirt question is likely moot.
This post was edited on 8/6/11 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:00 pm to moneyg
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Plus, the new NFL rookie scale is going to make coming out more prevalent.
i dunno about that
i dunno why we don't just keep him out of games unless we HAVE to use him, to keep both options alive
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:01 pm to moneyg
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We also don't get many 5 star LTs with NFL size day 1.
Has he gained weight? his only negative coming in was his size.
This post was edited on 8/6/11 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:05 pm to dj30
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Has he gained weight? Maybe his only negative coming in was his size.
If you believe his listing his 320.
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i dunno about that
Compare the contracts of the 2nd and 3rd round draft picks to the bottom of the 1st round.
Then put yourself in the place of a player rated in that range and ask yourself if staying with the intent of moving into the 1st makes sense. All of the money is in the 2nd contract now unless you are a top of the first round pick.
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i dunno why we don't just keep him out of games unless we HAVE to use him, to keep both options alive
You use him because you expect him to start in year 2 and/or have to fill in should an injury occur this year. That experience prepares him for what likely is no cost because you probably aren't keeping him 5 years anyway.
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:08 pm to Toughcrittercrumb1
if he is good enough to play, then let him play. Redshirting is so stupid.
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:10 pm to Toughcrittercrumb1
They are trying to prepare him to be the first off the bench whether that is guard or tackle. It's best for him in the long run as it will give him a better/quicker understanding of overall line play.
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:14 pm to Toughcrittercrumb1
The question is would we rather see Collins sitting on the bench as a backup tackle until 2013 (behind Faulk and Hurst), or would we like to see him move into one of the opening guard spots beginning in 2012.
Note we lose our top 3 guards at the end of this season (Dworaczyk, Blackwell, and Hebert).
Note we lose our top 3 guards at the end of this season (Dworaczyk, Blackwell, and Hebert).
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:18 pm to moneyg
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It makes very little sense to redshirt guys like Collins.
False. From 2002-2009 LSU played two players at LT: Whitworth and Black.
Both were very talented and Whitworth was highly touted as Collins is. Maybe not AS highly, but still a big deal. Black was only a 3-star but had offers from big schools (UT, TTech, Ok State, the U and LSU of course).
Both were also redshirted. It gave them a year to progress, grow and learn before coming in and holding strong for four seasons. Redshirting Collins is the smart move. I'm ready to see him blow shite up just as much as the next man, but the smart move is to redshirt. Unless he significantly outplays the shite out of Faulk.
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:23 pm to moneyg
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All of the money is in the 2nd contract now unless you are a top of the first round pick.
it's been that way for years
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You use him because you expect him to start in year 2
then he needs to be backing up at LT, i'd hope
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and/or have to fill in should an injury occur this year.
then that would count as HAVING to use him, no?
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:24 pm to LSU Red24
Collins can help from day one at guard and in goalline situations. Ole Miss did this with Michael Oher. They were worried about playing a freshmen at LT, but they knew how much of a mauler he was so they played him at RG. It's a much easier position to play, it allowed him to get experience, and it helped the team.
There's a 0.1% chance Collins redshirts.
There's a 0.1% chance Collins redshirts.
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:28 pm to Lester Earl
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Redshirting is so stupid.
how is that? if guys aren't ready to play what should Les do? Send em out?
Posted on 8/6/11 at 5:32 pm to FootballNostradamus
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There's a 0.1% chance Collins redshirts.
I'd love to take you up on this.
Also Ole Miss isn't LSU. The first three years Oher was at Ole Piss they had 3 wins, 4 wins and 3 wins. They didn't get the kind of recruits and talent LSU has. Collins will redshirt.
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