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Red meat is GOOD for you. (deserves its own thread)
Posted on 1/30/11 at 7:17 am
Posted on 1/30/11 at 7:17 am
Because nobody listen to CAD. I eat 2lbs of steak (or more) at least 5x a week and I get the same smug 'how's your cholestorl?' comments on here. Its never been better, thank you.
Think I'm full of shite? Well you my esteemed TD friends are the ones who have been denying yourselves the pleasure of delicious red meat because you think its going to clog your arteries.
Read this article and see if you don't feel stupid for believing the shitty government guidelines you've been following for years that is based on flawed or even DISHONEST science.
LINK
From Men's Health:
***EVER MEASURED***. Let that sink in for a second. Does that distub at all? Perhaps this next sentence should be even more disturbing:
confused? shouldn't this be an epiphany to them instead?
magic people.
just can't accept that you are WRONG can you? poor scientists. what to do but supress this info and release an even shittier food pyramid 20 years later in the mid 1970s.
hmmm. must be the magic cows they were eating before on the plains of narobi keeping them healthy.
educated guess???
read the rest of the article. it will make your blood boil at the completely unscientific way they linked red meat to heart disease.
anyway, laugh me off but i keep trying to get the word out..and i'll continue to kick arse on my bike and eat 2lbs of red meat every day and in general live like a king while you diligently munch on soybeans and rice cakes in a completely misguided and uneducated attempt to use that to lower your cholestorol.
Think I'm full of shite? Well you my esteemed TD friends are the ones who have been denying yourselves the pleasure of delicious red meat because you think its going to clog your arteries.
Read this article and see if you don't feel stupid for believing the shitty government guidelines you've been following for years that is based on flawed or even DISHONEST science.
LINK
From Men's Health:
quote:
Suppose you were forced to live on a diet of red meat and whole milk. A diet that, all told, was at least 60 percent fat — about half of it saturated. If your first thoughts are of statins and stents, you may want to consider the curious case of the Masai, a nomadic tribe in Kenya and Tanzania.
quote:holy shite! you mean we've known this for 50 years???
In the 1960s,
quote:that's a crackpot university if i ever heard of one!!
a Vanderbilt University
quote:
scientist named George Mann, M.D., found that Masai men consumed this very diet (supplemented with blood from the cattle they herded). Yet these nomads, who were also very lean, had some of the lowest levels of cholesterol ever measured and were virtually free of heart disease.
***EVER MEASURED***. Let that sink in for a second. Does that distub at all? Perhaps this next sentence should be even more disturbing:
quote:
Scientists, confused by the finding,
confused? shouldn't this be an epiphany to them instead? quote:
argued that the tribe must have certain genetic protections against developing high cholesterol.
magic people. just can't accept that you are WRONG can you? poor scientists. what to do but supress this info and release an even shittier food pyramid 20 years later in the mid 1970s.
quote:
But when British researchers monitored a group of Masai men who moved to Nairobi and began consuming a more modern diet, they discovered that the men's cholesterol subsequently skyrocketed.
hmmm. must be the magic cows they were eating before on the plains of narobi keeping them healthy.
quote:
Despite the apparent flaws in Keys's argument, the diet-heart hypothesis was compelling, and it was soon heavily promoted by the American Heart Association (AHA) and the media. It offered the worried public a highly educated guess as to why the country was in the midst of a heart-disease epidemic.
educated guess??? read the rest of the article. it will make your blood boil at the completely unscientific way they linked red meat to heart disease.
anyway, laugh me off but i keep trying to get the word out..and i'll continue to kick arse on my bike and eat 2lbs of red meat every day and in general live like a king while you diligently munch on soybeans and rice cakes in a completely misguided and uneducated attempt to use that to lower your cholestorol.
This post was edited on 1/30/11 at 7:27 am
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Posted on 1/30/11 at 7:34 am to CAD703X
I'll be having ribeyes for supper...for my heart health,of course.
Posted on 1/30/11 at 7:36 am to CAD703X
I am far from a red meat hater, but I'm pretty sure it gets enough love.
VEGETABLES, now that's a lonely food that gets very little to no love and yet is done so poorly most of the time that it's no great wonder why it's not given much love. Hell, if my only experience with vegetables was out of a can and/or boiled to hell and back or microwaved, then I can't say I'd have much love for it either.
VEGETABLES, now that's a lonely food that gets very little to no love and yet is done so poorly most of the time that it's no great wonder why it's not given much love. Hell, if my only experience with vegetables was out of a can and/or boiled to hell and back or microwaved, then I can't say I'd have much love for it either.
Posted on 1/30/11 at 7:37 am to OTIS2
i knew i could count on your support. here's another tidbit:
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Naturally, proponents of the diet-heart hypothesis hailed the study as proof that eating saturated fat leads to heart attacks. But the data was far from rock solid. That's because in three countries (Finland, Greece, and Yugoslavia), the correlation wasn't seen.
AN INCONVIENENT TRUTH! Just like the global warming crowd..toss out the data that doesn't fit your agenda..makes life easier.
Posted on 1/30/11 at 7:40 am to CAD703X
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We've spent billions of our tax dollars trying to prove the diet-heart hypothesis. Yet study after study has failed to provide definitive evidence that saturated-fat intake leads to heart disease. The most recent example is the Women's Health Initiative, the government's largest and most expensive ($725 million) diet study yet. The results, published last year, show that a diet low in total fat and saturated fat had no impact in reducing heart-disease and stroke rates in some 20,000 women who had adhered to the regimen for an average of 8 years.
SUCKAS!!!
8 years!! 8. miserable. years.
damn.
wake up people.
This post was edited on 1/30/11 at 7:41 am
Posted on 1/30/11 at 7:56 am to CAD703X
here's the money pitch:
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Now here's the saturated-fat connection: Dr. Krauss found that when people replace the carbohydrates in their diet with fat — saturated or unsaturated — the number of small, dense LDL particles decreases. This leads to the highly counterintuitive notion that replacing your breakfast cereal with eggs and bacon could actually reduce your risk of heart disease.
Posted on 1/30/11 at 8:45 am to CAD703X
I won't say that I completely agree with the isolated finding, of a foreign group of ppl no less whose bodies have adapted to that type of diet for years, but I do love your passion
Fortunately for me, after a trip to the doctor, she let me know that my cholesterol would be low no matter what I eat so I never have to feel guilty after plowing through a pound and a half of red meat
Fortunately for me, after a trip to the doctor, she let me know that my cholesterol would be low no matter what I eat so I never have to feel guilty after plowing through a pound and a half of red meat
Posted on 1/30/11 at 9:00 am to HideChaKidz
quote:
I won't say that I completely agree with the isolated finding, of a foreign group of ppl no less whose bodies have adapted to that type of diet for years
did u read the whole article? clearly not. therein lies the problem...not with you in particular but with a populace all too willing to go with the status quo and not think for themselves.
Posted on 1/30/11 at 9:07 am to Mike da Tigah
quote:
VEGETABLES, now that's a lonely food that gets very little to no love and yet is done so poorly most of the time that it's no great wonder why it's not given much love. Hell, if my only experience with vegetables was out of a can and/or boiled to hell and back or microwaved, then I can't say I'd have much love for it either.
wow....I feel your pain
Posted on 1/30/11 at 9:50 am to CAD703X
quote:
did u read the whole article? clearly not. therein lies the problem...not with you in particular but with a populace all too willing to go with the status quo and not think for themselves.
The isolated findings I am referring to are the studies on Kenyan tribes that showed those groups of ppl to be in excellent health with their diet high in red meat. There are no other studies like that in the article. In fact, if anything, the article talks more about not having proof that red meat is good for you.
Not saying red meat is bad, but my original point was to say that we can't just look at Kenyan tribes for fair comparison.
Enough with the casties already.
Posted on 1/30/11 at 9:56 am to tavolatim
Agree 100% with the OP. I just finished reading Gary Taubes "Why We Get Fat" and I'm convinced red meat and fat intake isn't a problem. Lots of data. Our ancestors hunted the fatest creatures and ate the fatest meat first. The problem is refined grains (flour) and sugar that are quickly digested and spike blood glucose and the insulin response. Plenty of data on goups of people shifting from a meaty/fatty/whole grain diet to a refined easily digested diet and becomming obese.
Think I'll go cook some eggs and bacon.
Think I'll go cook some eggs and bacon.
This post was edited on 1/30/11 at 10:02 am
Posted on 1/30/11 at 10:00 am to HideChaKidz
is it possible that the meat and milk the tribesmen consumed did not come from cows that had been injected with steroids and fed grain?i am convinced that grass fed ,noninjected beef,pork and chicken are the way to go.it has recently become a big business in the northeast.new yorkers are paying thousands of dollars a year to "organic" farms in order to receive produce and meat directly from the producer.
Posted on 1/30/11 at 10:02 am to CAD703X
quote:
AN INCONVIENENT TRUTH! Just like the global warming crowd..toss out the data that doesn't fit your agenda..makes life easier.
I don't have a stake in this fight; I believe in eating a well balanced diet that includes different kinds of proteins (beef, fish, turkey, pork, chicken...I like diversity), lots of fruits and vegetables, and carbs in appropriate moderation.
With that said, you are doing exactly what you criticize others of: taking a set of findings that support your point of view and disregarding the rest.
I read the whole article and the take home point is not really that you can eat lots of fatty red meat to no consequence. The take home point is more that we don't have substantial evidence either way...in other words, the jury is still out. that is a far cry from the interpretation that you want to make--eating tons of fatty red meat will have no bad effects.
indeed, the final paragraph of the article says:
quote:
"The message isn't that you should gorge on butter, bacon, and cheese," says Volek. "It's that there's no scientific reason that natural foods containing saturated fat can't, or shouldn't, be part of a healthy diet."
what that final quote doesn't include but certainly implies is that almost everything is fine in moderation.
Posted on 1/30/11 at 10:07 am to michael corleone
quote:
s it possible that the meat and milk the tribesmen consumed did not come from cows that had been injected with steroids and fed grain?i am convinced that grass fed ,noninjected beef,pork and chicken are the way to go.it has recently become a big business in the northeast.new yorkers are paying thousands of dollars a year to "organic" farms in order to receive produce and meat directly from the producer.
there have been a number of recent studies demonstrating that many of the bad properties found in beef raised on grain and steroids are not there in beef raised on grass. so, not shockingly, a diet that makes the cow sick (force feeding them a diet that isn't natural to them) is producing meat that may not be healthy for humans to consume.
Posted on 1/30/11 at 10:21 am to Tun Tavern
quote:
The take home point is more that we don't have substantial evidence either way...in other words, the jury is still out
i'm trying to wake people up to the fact the food pyramid is bogus and the knee-jerk response when people hear you're eating lots of meat is 'oh you are fat and your blood cholestorol is going to go through the roof'.
i never said to NOT enjoy fruits and veggies..what i'm trying to do is get people to get off my arse because i eat alot of red meat. its not the bogeyman you believe it is.
the fact that the FLAWED STUDY the current food pyramid is based off is exactly that...FLAWED..should give people cause to question their eating habits.
also there's plenty of evidence in the article to suggest shifting the way you eat to more fat/less simple carbs will do EXACTLY what they say it won't..lower your bad cholestorol and cause you to lose weight.
that's a proven fact and i can attest to this personally as well.
compare these 2 quotes:
quote:
We've spent billions of our tax dollars trying to prove the diet-heart hypothesis. Yet study after study has failed to provide definitive evidence that saturated-fat intake leads to heart disease. The most recent example is the Women's Health Initiative, the government's largest and most expensive ($725 million) diet study yet. The results, published last year, show that a diet low in total fat and saturated fat had no impact in reducing heart-disease and stroke rates in some 20,000 women who had adhered to the regimen for an average of 8 years.
quote:
Dr. Krauss found that when people replace the carbohydrates in their diet with fat — saturated or unsaturated — the number of small, dense LDL particles decreases. This leads to the highly counterintuitive notion that replacing your breakfast cereal with eggs and bacon could actually reduce your risk of heart disease.
head-scratcher huh? makes you wonder who's paying of the scientists to hold to the old-skool line that lots of grains and sugars are better than meat (which barely registers on the food pyramid at all)
This post was edited on 1/30/11 at 10:26 am
Posted on 1/30/11 at 10:23 am to Tun Tavern
quote:
there have been a number of recent studies demonstrating that many of the bad properties found in beef raised on grain and steroids are not there in beef raised on grass
huge difference in beef from grass fed vs grain fed cattle. Less fat, fewer calories, higher levels of omega 3's and CLA just to name a few.
modern meat
Posted on 1/30/11 at 10:31 am to Geaux2Hell
Posted on 1/30/11 at 10:34 am to Geaux2Hell
most of the people in America who indulge in red meat use butter to cook with, especially steak. I doubt the Massai people had a quart of country crock spread to cover their meat in. And what about the hight correlation between red meat and colon cancer? I love red meat but I've heard that too much is a risk factor.
Posted on 1/30/11 at 10:36 am to HideChaKidz
quote:
The isolated findings I am referring to are the studies on Kenyan tribes that showed those groups of ppl to be in excellent health with their diet high in red meat. There are no other studies like that in the article
do a google on this subject. from the french (who imbibe in tons of red wine and meat) with almost no heart disease issues to the other sections of the article pointing out other cultures who favor meat having low incidences of heart disease.
this isn't isolated to one group..that was cited in the article because it was such a pure test..they literally had no outside sources of food to pollute the testing.
are you saying that the test is invalid because somehow these people's reaction to food and protein is somehow different than ours? are you going to insinuate that the way livestock is fed in our country changes the way the body responds to protein at the cellular level which somehow causes heart disease for us?
Posted on 1/30/11 at 10:37 am to WarmBubble
quote:
most of the people in America who indulge in red meat use butter to cook with, especially steak
same thing dude! saturated fat is disgested by the body in the same way. butter fat is no worse for you than red meat fat.
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