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Boxing is Dead
Posted on 1/27/11 at 7:39 am
Posted on 1/27/11 at 7:39 am
What fights are out there that are worth talking about? Mayweather vs Pac is the only one I can think of...and I don't think that fight will ever happen.
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Posted on 1/27/11 at 7:51 am to Dew Tour Hopeful
The Heavyweight division is stacked
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This post was edited on 1/27/11 at 7:54 am
Posted on 1/27/11 at 9:12 am to SmackDaniels
IMO, the biggest problem with boxing and the reason it's often portrayed as "dying" in this country is because, over the last 30 years, the national media has all but ignored foreign born fighters (obviously each decade has had it's exceptions: Roberto duran, Julio ceasar chavez, manny pac, and a few others have made it mainstream in this country).
We're in the middle of an era of boxing that literally has never happened before: The top fighters in every division are foreign born. The effects of of the non-promotion of these fighters over decades are now showing.
A lot of people claim it's the lack of a good HW division that has killed boxing. Although it's certainly true that the HW division is in bad shape right now, the lighter divisions have shown in the past that it can carry boxing for years at a time until the HW division recovers. If I were to give a top 10 list of why boxing has lost it's appeal, the lack of a HW division would be on there, but probably not in the top half of the list.
The unfortunate thing is that the American public has shown it would follow and rally around foreign athletes/fighters if they are marketed properly. I applaud the UFC for it's global marketing strategies. A lot of it's top fighters are not only foreign born, but speak little or no English; yet, they are loved by the American sports fans (the same can be said about some of the top baseball players). Marketing these athletes and promoting them regularly will open the national audiences eyes and draw interest in their fights...Manny Pac proves that.
Unfortunately, media and boxing's marketing strategies over decades have focused on the next great American fighter, not just the next great fighter. Now it's caught up with the sport.
Cliffnotes: the media blows goats
And: not going back to correct typo's, misspellings, etc...
We're in the middle of an era of boxing that literally has never happened before: The top fighters in every division are foreign born. The effects of of the non-promotion of these fighters over decades are now showing.
A lot of people claim it's the lack of a good HW division that has killed boxing. Although it's certainly true that the HW division is in bad shape right now, the lighter divisions have shown in the past that it can carry boxing for years at a time until the HW division recovers. If I were to give a top 10 list of why boxing has lost it's appeal, the lack of a HW division would be on there, but probably not in the top half of the list.
The unfortunate thing is that the American public has shown it would follow and rally around foreign athletes/fighters if they are marketed properly. I applaud the UFC for it's global marketing strategies. A lot of it's top fighters are not only foreign born, but speak little or no English; yet, they are loved by the American sports fans (the same can be said about some of the top baseball players). Marketing these athletes and promoting them regularly will open the national audiences eyes and draw interest in their fights...Manny Pac proves that.
Unfortunately, media and boxing's marketing strategies over decades have focused on the next great American fighter, not just the next great fighter. Now it's caught up with the sport.
Cliffnotes: the media blows goats
And: not going back to correct typo's, misspellings, etc...
Posted on 1/27/11 at 9:24 am to TTownTiger
TTown...very true about the foreign influence and the lack of American stars. The problem with the HW division is that the fighters got too big! A HW should be in the 210-230 range which allows for better boxing and not two giants moving like slugs across the ring. It's not fun to watch...they need a super HW division.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 9:27 am to Dew Tour Hopeful
Bradley v Alexander this weekend
Gamboa fights at the end of March against a good junior lightweight too.
Gamboa fights at the end of March against a good junior lightweight too.
This post was edited on 1/27/11 at 9:28 am
Posted on 1/27/11 at 9:37 am to Dew Tour Hopeful
Americans have become too enamored with that goofy MMA shite.
Although, it's probably a chicken or the egg argument, because you can just as easily argue the crapfest that boxing became encouraged that, as much as you can argue the converse.
Although, it's probably a chicken or the egg argument, because you can just as easily argue the crapfest that boxing became encouraged that, as much as you can argue the converse.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 10:03 am to Y.A. Tittle
Seriously when Pac and Mayweather are out of the sport, which is likely in the next few years; it could be real bad.
As far as attracting a casual fan to the sport/order a fight that is.
As far as attracting a casual fan to the sport/order a fight that is.
This post was edited on 1/27/11 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/27/11 at 10:28 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
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Seriously when Pac and Mayweather are out of the sport, which is likely in the next few years; it could be real bad. As far as attracting a casual fan to the sport/order a fight that is.
Agree. Honestly, one of the best things that can happen right now is for either Floyd or manny to fight one of the young bulls in the division (andre berto, anyone?) and have said fighter put on an unbelievable performance, pulling the upset or at least coming close. That kind of situation could have the potential to launch that younger fighter into the mainstream...the casual boxing audience will want to see that guy again...especially if there is a rematch. It would be like floyd/manny passing the torch (much like the Oscar vs manny fight - that fight is what put manny into mainstream orbit).
A guy like Shane Mosley won't get it done. He is retiring in the next few years, so, if this would happen with him, it would be for nothing. It has to be a younger fighter entering his prime years.
Floyd is too caught up in his own hype and legacy to have this happen to him. He'd retire before fighting a young guy like this, IMO. I think Manny would be willing to though (I was pissed to find out he is fighting mosley next because it's pretty much a lose-lose situation for manny and boxing).
Posted on 1/27/11 at 11:04 am to TTownTiger
To me, the problem is that boxing fans don't get to see the BEST boxing.
The only boxing they get to see for free on TV is tune-up fights (sometimes), rookies and has-beens.
When boxing is good, it is the most compelling and dramatic sport to watch on TV.
When it's bad, it's really bad.
The issue here is that there is not a TV format which can support boxing on commercial TV. You lose money broadcasting it... unless you make it pay-per-view or subscription based.
Because of that, if you're not willing to pony up the money for Showtime or HBO or PPV, you don't see the best fights.
This has been going on for about two generations of potential fans now. Boxing hasn't built its fan base at all through television... which is the key to a successful sport.
When I was a kid, a long time ago... in elementary school we were talking about Marvin Hagler and Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns on the playground. That's how popular it used to be. Little seven year old kids knew who Marvin Hagler was. Now, as an adult, I can't even name the FIVE or so middleweight "champions" of the world. I haven't seen any of them fight.
And why would I pay $60 to watch two guys I've never heard of fight each other?
That's boxing's problem in a nutshell. I LOVE boxing. LOVE it. And I never get to watch it at its best.
The only boxing they get to see for free on TV is tune-up fights (sometimes), rookies and has-beens.
When boxing is good, it is the most compelling and dramatic sport to watch on TV.
When it's bad, it's really bad.
The issue here is that there is not a TV format which can support boxing on commercial TV. You lose money broadcasting it... unless you make it pay-per-view or subscription based.
Because of that, if you're not willing to pony up the money for Showtime or HBO or PPV, you don't see the best fights.
This has been going on for about two generations of potential fans now. Boxing hasn't built its fan base at all through television... which is the key to a successful sport.
When I was a kid, a long time ago... in elementary school we were talking about Marvin Hagler and Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns on the playground. That's how popular it used to be. Little seven year old kids knew who Marvin Hagler was. Now, as an adult, I can't even name the FIVE or so middleweight "champions" of the world. I haven't seen any of them fight.
And why would I pay $60 to watch two guys I've never heard of fight each other?
That's boxing's problem in a nutshell. I LOVE boxing. LOVE it. And I never get to watch it at its best.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 11:07 am to SpqrTiger
the 2 things killing boxing
-the number of federations
- the number of titles
6-7 main "federations" with 10+ classes in each
boxing needs to be under 1 umbrella, with fewer weight classes
-the number of federations
- the number of titles
6-7 main "federations" with 10+ classes in each
boxing needs to be under 1 umbrella, with fewer weight classes
Posted on 1/27/11 at 11:22 am to LSUMJ
I really wish boxing was still around.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 11:45 am to filmmaker45
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I really wish boxing was still around.
Add me to this. I remember going over to my grandfathers and watching TNT Tuesday night fights almost every week. I remember watching Mike Tyson coming up through the ranks fighting on Tuesday night fights. Watching the Showtime fights. My grandfather loves boxing, I use to just enjoy watching him. I can barely tell you a hand full of boxers names any more. I use to be able to bark out the Champions in just about every weight division. Truly sad!
This post was edited on 1/27/11 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/27/11 at 11:49 am to Nissanmaxima
I stopped watching boxing several years ago, when one heavyweight killed the other guy. Not even close. Just murdered him.
And he lost.
I remember George Foreman saying that was the best verdict money could buy. Larry Merchant was actually speechless.
Oh and BOTH fighters were managed by Don King.
That was it. Check please.
I won't go back again. Ever.
And he lost.
I remember George Foreman saying that was the best verdict money could buy. Larry Merchant was actually speechless.
Oh and BOTH fighters were managed by Don King.
That was it. Check please.
I won't go back again. Ever.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 11:49 am to Dew Tour Hopeful
The main problem with boxing is all the sactioning bodies (WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF)... They are all really shady. There are quite a few great fights coming up. One that should be really good is Fernando Montiel vs. Nonito Donaire on Feb. 19 and it's on Showtime..
Posted on 1/27/11 at 11:52 am to TigerMyth36
quote:
when one heavyweight killed the other guy. Not even close. Just murdered him.
And he lost.
It happens in boxing and the UFC alike.
Posted on 1/27/11 at 11:54 am to SpqrTiger
quote:
To me, the problem is that boxing fans don't get to see the BEST boxing.
The only boxing they get to see for free on TV is tune-up fights (sometimes), rookies and has-beens.
When boxing is good, it is the most compelling and dramatic sport to watch on TV.
When it's bad, it's really bad.
The issue here is that there is not a TV format which can support boxing on commercial TV. You lose money broadcasting it... unless you make it pay-per-view or subscription based.
Because of that, if you're not willing to pony up the money for Showtime or HBO or PPV, you don't see the best fights
Wrong... Just watch Showtime's "ShoBox" or HBO's "Boxing After Dark".... Both have tons of great fights
Posted on 1/27/11 at 11:59 am to Mattdaddy311
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Because of that, if you're not willing to pony up the money for Showtime or HBO or PPV, you don't see the best fights
quote:reading is legit
Wrong... Just watch Showtime's "ShoBox" or HBO's "Boxing After Dark".... Both have tons of great fights
Posted on 1/27/11 at 12:01 pm to SpqrTiger
quote:IMO, there's too many other free good things on tv/ESPN than paying $60 to watch a fight...unless you're a diehard boxing fan.
And why would I pay $60 to watch two guys I've never heard of fight each other?
Posted on 1/27/11 at 12:07 pm to baytiger
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reading is legit
But you're right.. I didn't read the whole thing.. So, my bad
Posted on 1/27/11 at 12:11 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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IMO, there's too many other free good things on tv/ESPN than paying $60 to watch a fight...unless you're a diehard boxing fan.
I love boxing and UFC. Most of the time I won't buy any PPV event. I quit doing that because of Tyson. The 2 UFC PPV's I've bought were both hot garbage. The only reason I got Showtime and HBO was for the boxing
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