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re: The game I watched yesterday fell squarely on Chavis's shoulders

Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:06 am to
Posted by coolpapaboze
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:06 am to
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blueTunaTiger

Maybe the best and definitely the most rational post in the last twelve hours.
Posted by Proud2BaTIGER
KAPLAN
Member since Dec 2007
311 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:19 am to
Why can't our offense make big plays like that? We have the best OC in college football. We stretch the feild with passes in the flat, wr screens & pitches to rb play after play after play. Definitely Chavis's fault because the defense did not score more pts than LSU & Arkansas offense.
Posted by chity
Chicago, Il
Member since Dec 2008
6093 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:25 am to
blue Tuna,

Thanks for the post.

Can you or any one with more knowledge about college football then me please explain why JJ quit rolling out on passing situations.

Did Arky make a defense adjustment that made it impossible, or what?
Posted by thomattrey
BR
Member since Aug 2007
54 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:34 am to
On the last play of the first half, Eric Reid was the safety on the left hash and jumped the short route, which opened up the lane for the throw. We know what happened next and while Hatcher should have made the play, our superstar true freshman was trying to be a hero instead of sitting back and keeping the play in front of him. It could be poor coaching but my guess is that Reid's instincts got him in trouble here
Posted by NorfolkTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
351 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:41 am to
Not Chavis's fault for young players blowing coverages.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34150 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:44 am to
You must pressure the QB, chavis does not like to do so
Posted by xiv
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Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:48 am to
Two of those big plays were the results of players being overly-aggressive. Pure bad luck. shite happens.
Posted by blueTunaTiger
Gulf of Mexico, USA
Member since Feb 2009
3696 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 12:17 pm to
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Can you or any one with more knowledge about college football then me please explain why JJ quit rolling out on passing situations.


No one with any rational thought can accurately describe Gary Crowton's offensive play calling. If you talk to people in the know, he out-thinks himself to the point of becoming predictable. That being said, if you roll out, you effectively cut the field in half and eliminate the center of the field, unless there is some sort of throw-back. There were huge openings in the center, but the offensive line failed with the protection.

Look closely at the game-plan and what LSU attempted in the 1st half. The sacks to Jefferson were made while attempting to exploit the center of the field. However, the offensive line was getting pushed around all over the place and JJ didn't have any time to throw.

The other thing which was mind boggling was the snap counts and ARKY getting jumps like they knew when the ball was being snapped. During teh Auburn game, Nick Fairley made double and triple teams look stupid because he was jumping the snap count. This also falls back on the coaches not changing the cadence, or even recognizing such.

If you go back and listen to the post game press conferences of the opposing team's PLAYERS, nearly everyone interviewed either hints or outright states they knew what LSU was going to run, or when they were snapping the ball. The All-American on West Virginia's defensive line was adamant about knowing what Crowton was calling. He was upset because even though they KNEW what was coming, they could not stop it. On a couple of plays in that game, JJ even audibled into run plays when they already had 8 in the box. The WVa linemen admitted that as well.

I have not done this, but if you were to run a regression analysis with the down, player personnel, formation, and QB as variables, I would almost bet the house that the play selection would be narrowed down to 1 or 2 plays. THIS has been Crowton's MO for years 2 and 3 of his stints at various programs. He outsmarts himself setting up the "mis-direction" without ever getting to the prize. I explained this exact concept to my 14 year old Godson 3 weeks ago, and he called every deep pitch dive with Ridley the past two games.

The reason JLee was so effective in his 1st few appearances was he had not been long enough for defenses to build the database. Yet, as he played more, it was easy to predict what was getting ready to happen. Go back and look at JJ's 2 minute offense. It's all improvisation, so the defense can't get a jump on what's coming. This is also the case when they go to the "hurry-up" during other times in the game. That's why he's so much more effective in that set.
Posted by Nastycuts22
Tampa, FL
Member since Jan 2010
154 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 12:26 pm to
quote:

squarely on Chavis's shoulders



That is ignorant . The game falls squarely on LM shoulders. He is the head coach responsible for controlling the game . He has JJ in the game after 7 , 3 and outs . He has JJ in the game when everyone knows he cat run the 2 minute offense . With 7:31 left in the game , after an AR run and huddle , he lets the clock go from 7:31 to 6:55 before he calls a timeout . When we had the ball late in the game inside the 10 with 3+ minutes left , we ran the ball 3 times in a row , with no timeouts called . He waits until JJ takes a 15yd sack to the 25 to call a timeout . LOL and after that timeout JJ again cant complete a pass , so he runs for 5 yds and as precious time ticks off the clock we slowly line up for a FG .

DO we even practice onside kicks ? Jasper kicked it to Hamilton like he was a 6yo . Here you go Hamilton , one long hop right to him .

LM clock management and lack of leadership is to blame for yesterdays embarassing loss .
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 12:50 pm to
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DO we even practice onside kicks ? Jasper kicked it to Hamilton like he was a 6yo . Here you go Hamilton , one long hop right to him .

LM clock management and lack of leadership is to blame for yesterdays embarassing loss .


nice to see the rant getting back to normal...

Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34150 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

Nastycuts22


Please watch the game! Chavis blew it big time once again. He doesnt like getting pressure on the QB and it backfired.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:10 pm to
mud do you ever post anything other than disdain for whomever is the defensive coordinator at the time...
Posted by Tigerwaffe
Orlando
Member since Sep 2007
4975 posts
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

tons of blame to go around on this one.

Penalties, bad passes, dropped passes, missed tackles, poor protection, bad blocking, indecision, incomprehensible offensive scheme and defensive alignments ... yeah, I'd say there was blame to go around. Arkansas played a pretty good game, we played a shitty one, from our first possession to the last penalty on PP.
Posted by Nastycuts22
Tampa, FL
Member since Jan 2010
154 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 2:19 am to
quote:

Please watch the game


LOL You're right , maybe I didn't "watch" the game . I am wondering what the hell you are even talking about . Did Chavis make mistakes? Yes . Who doesnt make mistakes ? The mistakes LM made ar obvious and elementry . Calling timeouts , personal , and game management .

JJ has been playing well the past few weeks , but LM is stuborn about changing QB's . When JJ wasnt effective he should have put in JL for at least 2 series to see if he could get things going . If JL stunk , what would have changed ? JJ didnt do anything in the second half . But yeah . thats chavis's fault . Jasper missing a FG was chavis's fault . Come on have a clue , please
Posted by infantry1026
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
6045 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 6:09 am to
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Offense still didn't perform, but yes, D looked bad.


I agree with this! They looked like shite, period!
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 6:11 am to
i thought the D did what they were suppose to do. the one miraculous play before half really hurt.
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:21 am to
blueTuna: thanks for the analysis without condescension or needless diversions into personal attacks on other posters. I appreciate your well-written, well-reasoned interpretation of the game.
Posted by That LSU Guy
The beach
Member since Jul 2008
11445 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:31 am to
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Pure baloney. We should not give up an 80 yard touchdown pass on the obvious final play because one player runs into another. That's why you play PREVENT with about 4 players defending way back in case something like that happens.
Because that would have stopped a TD right?

lulz Bluegrass miracle
Posted by That LSU Guy
The beach
Member since Jul 2008
11445 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:37 am to
quote:

Please watch the game! Chavis blew it big time once again. He doesnt like getting pressure on the QB and it backfired.
Posted by bopper50
Sugarland Texas
Member since Mar 2009
9196 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:21 am to
This season has been a comedy of errors and exhausting....

I can't wait for the Bowl game and next season

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