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College Football Needs This Playoff System
Posted on 11/11/10 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 12:53 pm
This is the yearly touting of my playoff system idea. I think this idea will get even better once all BCS conferences have a championship game.
Here it is:
Take the BCS conference champions plus two at large...eight teams total. The two at-large teams would be the highest ranked teams in the BCS poll that did not receive the automatic bid.
Amendement 1: BCS Conference champions must be ranked in the top 12 in order to get a playoff invite.
If you can't win your conference, you will need to be an at-large team to enter the playoff.
Don't give me this baloney that regular season games will have less meaning. Seeds will be determined by current BCS rankings. Therefore, playing a tougher schedule could get you the higher seed and the coveted home field advantage in the first round.
We need to move power away from the pollsters and computer polls that are determining who plays in the title game. This is preposterous. It is a joke. And potentially corrupt. Granted, in my system, the BCS ranking will still be used to determine the at-large teams, in addition to seedings. But the BCS poll will not get to decide the two teams that will play for the title, like is the case today. What we currently have is a complete joke of a system.
Eight teams mean three weekends of games. First round games are played at the higher seed's home stadium.
Semifinal games would be on same day at two different major bowl sites (eg, Fiesta and Sugar).
Final game will be at a third major bowl site. One major bowl would get left out each year of the playoffs, but could pick whatever teams were leftover.
To give you an example of dates:
First round: Dec 18, 2010
Semifinals: Jan 1, 2011
Finals: Jan 15, 2011
I dare anyone to come up with a plan better than this that removes as much bias from the selection process, addresses logistical issues with travel, appeases the college presidents that think the season is too long as it is, and generates as much interest.
Here it is:
Take the BCS conference champions plus two at large...eight teams total. The two at-large teams would be the highest ranked teams in the BCS poll that did not receive the automatic bid.
Amendement 1: BCS Conference champions must be ranked in the top 12 in order to get a playoff invite.
If you can't win your conference, you will need to be an at-large team to enter the playoff.
Don't give me this baloney that regular season games will have less meaning. Seeds will be determined by current BCS rankings. Therefore, playing a tougher schedule could get you the higher seed and the coveted home field advantage in the first round.
We need to move power away from the pollsters and computer polls that are determining who plays in the title game. This is preposterous. It is a joke. And potentially corrupt. Granted, in my system, the BCS ranking will still be used to determine the at-large teams, in addition to seedings. But the BCS poll will not get to decide the two teams that will play for the title, like is the case today. What we currently have is a complete joke of a system.
Eight teams mean three weekends of games. First round games are played at the higher seed's home stadium.
Semifinal games would be on same day at two different major bowl sites (eg, Fiesta and Sugar).
Final game will be at a third major bowl site. One major bowl would get left out each year of the playoffs, but could pick whatever teams were leftover.
To give you an example of dates:
First round: Dec 18, 2010
Semifinals: Jan 1, 2011
Finals: Jan 15, 2011
I dare anyone to come up with a plan better than this that removes as much bias from the selection process, addresses logistical issues with travel, appeases the college presidents that think the season is too long as it is, and generates as much interest.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 12:57 pm to Chicken
Chicken, this idea is sooooooo old, but it still doesn't solve two of the main problems people bitch at the BCS about:
1. It still uses opinion polls/computers
2. It still can leave out undefeated teams (Boise in 2009, for example)
1. It still uses opinion polls/computers
2. It still can leave out undefeated teams (Boise in 2009, for example)
Posted on 11/11/10 at 12:58 pm to Chicken
quote:
If you can't win your conference, you are on the outside looking in.
I just dont like the fact that a top ranked Florida team can go undefeated all year, and lose to Alabama in an SEC Championship game (a game in which half the conferences don't have) and be ruled out.
That Florida team was better than every other team, including a Big East winning Cincinnati, as shown in the Sugar Bowl.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 12:59 pm to Tigerbait337
quote:
That Florida team was better than every other team, including a Big East winning Cincinnati, as shown in the Sugar Bowl.
They would have been in last year, and undefeated Boise left out. Thanks a lot, Chicken
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:00 pm to Tigerbait337
that florida team would still have received an at large bid as a very highly ranked team in teh BCS
It's not a bad system... my major problem is it still allows in awful conference champs who don't deserve a shot at a NC after already losing a few games
Hell, If Auburn is eligible this year I don't think LSU deserves a shot in the playoff... they had their shot against Auburn already and lost the game
It's not a bad system... my major problem is it still allows in awful conference champs who don't deserve a shot at a NC after already losing a few games
Hell, If Auburn is eligible this year I don't think LSU deserves a shot in the playoff... they had their shot against Auburn already and lost the game
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:01 pm to molsusports
Maybe, but if Florida would of gotten an at-large bid, than its contradicting what the reason for a playoff is.
Alabama
Texas
Georgia Tech
tOSU
Oregon
Cincinnati
Boise State
TCU
If Florida would of went in over an undefeated Boise State/TCU..then we aren't solving anything.
Alabama
Texas
Georgia Tech
tOSU
Oregon
Cincinnati
Boise State
TCU
If Florida would of went in over an undefeated Boise State/TCU..then we aren't solving anything.
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:02 pm to The Easter Bunny
quote:you will never eliminate that...you need them, at the least, for seeding...and you will need them for picking an AQ runner up (eg, LSU) over a non-AQ team like TCU.
1. It still uses opinion polls/computers
College Baseball and College Basketball have computers (RPI) and humans deciding their playoff field and seedings. This is no different.
quote:It would only be left out due to weak scheduling on their part.
2. It still can leave out undefeated teams (Boise in 2009, for example)
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:04 pm to Chicken
quote:
Take the BCS conference champions plus two at large...eight teams total. The two at-large teams would be the highest ranked teams in the BCS poll that did not receive the automatic bid.
this isn't good enough for "them" anymore
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:04 pm to Tigerbait337
I like the "Chicken Plan". The debate between eight or sixteen teams is tricky. Eight teams would be easier for both logistics and convincing the existing power structure. A sixteen team playoff would eliminate all complaints, but it would open up the "importance of the regular season" arguments and piss off the bowls.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:04 pm to The Easter Bunny
2009:
1. Alabama, SEC
2. Texas, Big12
3. Cincinnati, Big East
4. TCU, at-large
5. Florida, at-large
7. Oregon, Pac10
8. Ohio State, Big10
9. GT, ACC
2008
1. OU, Big12
2. Florida, SEC
3. Texas, at-large
4. Alabama, at-large (unless you have to take a nonBCS, then 6. Utah instead of Bama)
5. USC, Pac10
8. Penn State, Big10
12. Cincinnati, Big East
19. Virginia Tech, ACC
leaves out undefeated Utah and Boise State OR #4 Alabama who's only loss was to the national champs, and also went undefeated in the regular season
1. Alabama, SEC
2. Texas, Big12
3. Cincinnati, Big East
4. TCU, at-large
5. Florida, at-large
7. Oregon, Pac10
8. Ohio State, Big10
9. GT, ACC
2008
1. OU, Big12
2. Florida, SEC
3. Texas, at-large
4. Alabama, at-large (unless you have to take a nonBCS, then 6. Utah instead of Bama)
5. USC, Pac10
8. Penn State, Big10
12. Cincinnati, Big East
19. Virginia Tech, ACC
leaves out undefeated Utah and Boise State OR #4 Alabama who's only loss was to the national champs, and also went undefeated in the regular season
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:05 pm to NOTORlOUSD
quote:
A sixteen team playoff would eliminate all complaints,
no it would likely increase complaints
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:05 pm to NOTORlOUSD
quote:
I like the "Chicken Plan". The debate between eight or sixteen teams is tricky. Eight teams would be easier for both logistics and convincing the existing power structure. A sixteen team playoff would eliminate all complaints, but it would open up the "importance of the regular season" arguments and piss off the bowls.
I like the 2 team current plan. If I had to go bigger, I'd stop at 4.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:06 pm to Tigerbait337
2008 -
Florda
Oklahoma
Penn State
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
USC
Texas Tech/Texas/Boise State/Alabama/Utah
Using the BCS format, you can't take more than two teams from a conference, so one of the Texas Tech/Texas is going to be screwed, just so we can put in Boise State
Florda
Oklahoma
Penn State
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
USC
Texas Tech/Texas/Boise State/Alabama/Utah
Using the BCS format, you can't take more than two teams from a conference, so one of the Texas Tech/Texas is going to be screwed, just so we can put in Boise State
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:06 pm to Chicken
Conference champs should be included if they finish in the top 10 of said polls. I'm tired of the Big East champ taking a spot in these games yet being ranked 15-20. If there are that many teams better than a conference champ why shouldn't they get the shot instead?
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:07 pm to Chicken
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:07 pm to molsusports
quote:This is true, but who is to say that the low ranked conference champion isn't playoff worthy? In 2001, LSU, with its three losses, was one of the hottest teams in the country at the end of the season.
It's not a bad system... my major problem is it still allows in awful conference champs who don't deserve a shot at a NC after already losing a few games
Some good teams could be left out, but that could be the case under most, if not all, playoff ideas...and certain is the case under the current system.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:08 pm to NOTORlOUSD
quote:not to mention it adds another week of games/traveling, etc...
A sixteen team playoff would eliminate all complaints, but it would open up the "importance of the regular season" arguments and piss off the bowls.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:08 pm to NOTORlOUSD
to build a fair system you would have to make all of the conferences even team wise, with 2 divisions. each conference champ would receive a seat in the playoffs. then you could use a formula based on strength of schedule and common opponents to add in 2 or 4 wildcard teams.
instead of leaving it up to schools to schedule games, have them play the teams in their conference and then rotate who they play out of conference games on a yearly basis dependent on how the various conferences finish the end of the year.
instead of leaving it up to schools to schedule games, have them play the teams in their conference and then rotate who they play out of conference games on a yearly basis dependent on how the various conferences finish the end of the year.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:09 pm to Tigerbait337
in 2009 it looks like Florida finished the year ranked #5 in the BCS rankings
09
TCU was #4 and Boise was ranked #6
No matter what you do there are going to be complaints because
1) Florida was probably the second best team in the country and probably belongs in any playoff
2) But why should Alabama have to potentially beat them twice?
3) and with the Chicken's proposal you'd leave out Boise
Nothing's perfect, his 8 team proposal isn't bad... but would still catch criticism from some people (in years where the conference champs have lousy records that would certainly include me)
09
TCU was #4 and Boise was ranked #6
No matter what you do there are going to be complaints because
1) Florida was probably the second best team in the country and probably belongs in any playoff
2) But why should Alabama have to potentially beat them twice?
3) and with the Chicken's proposal you'd leave out Boise
Nothing's perfect, his 8 team proposal isn't bad... but would still catch criticism from some people (in years where the conference champs have lousy records that would certainly include me)
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:09 pm to Tigerbait337
quote:
Big East winning Cincinnati
The main problem with this system is not all conferences are even close to being equal.
1) Non 12 team conferences: Big 12 (10), Big East (8).
2) No Championship game: Big 12, Big East.
3) Big East is much weaker than the other major conferences (mainly due to losing VT, Boston College & Miami years ago to the ACC). Right now, the WAC is more deserving of an auto-bid.
I'd be fine with this format if all the automatic bid conferences went to 12 teams and had to play a championship game. Also, the Big East loses their auto-bid spot (or add some teams that aren't MAC/CUSA level) to bring the at-large bids to 3.
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 1:13 pm
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