re: Question about the bias of SEC refs

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So I ran an ANOVA on these numbers, and if I did everything correct, then this mathematically proves that there is no statistically significant difference in those numbers at all.

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You have to watch the games. Not all calls are the same and not all calls are penalties. Some calls directly change the game and some do not. Auburn got two calls last week that had enough video evidence to be overturned and they directly led to 14 points. These were not penalties but were subjective calls on the field that favored Auburn and had video evidence supporting a different conclusion. What your penalty stats don't tell is how it affected the actual score and momentum of the game.

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And again, I'm wondering if you have a link that shows that most SEC refs are from Alabama.

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Personal knowledge...I'll leave it at that.

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WOW. Not only are you an obstinate moron, but you're also zeroed-out in reading comprehension skills.

Read the man's statement again, and then have your mom explain it to you

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Are you 12 years old?

Because most adults I know are fairly capable of having ADULT conversations without acting like 12 year olds and resorting to name calling.

I've never in my entire life spoken to someone around 46 years old who would speak like that.

Grow up dude.

And please explain where my comprehension was off. Did not 1 call go for us and 1 against us, when in fact, both should have been against us? Because Webster's was OBVIOUS PI, and if the other play was the "exact same", it would be PI as well.

I see my error now. Forgive me LOL

I still think that dude is fricking hilarious for flipping out and name calling like a little girl would do over it.

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Because Webster's was OBVIOUS PI, and if the other play was the "exact same", it would be PI as well.

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We are talking about 2 different games. Websters "no call" PI was against Bama. The OP was talking about the LSU/Auburn calls from the 2006 game @ Auburn.

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Best comparison would be to look at Bama and LSU penalties when looking at years Saban coached at each school.

For example, from evidence posted earlier, Sabans first year at Bama they were penalized approx. 30 times LESS than during any of Saban's LSU teams.

Saban adds another degree if control in the analysis IMO. His teams at LSU never went a year and a half without a holding call...that much I promise you.

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TigerCorps.....you beat me to it. Why have all these stat guys overlooked this comparison ?
You could attribute Alabama's lack of penalties due to discipline under Saban . If that's the case why is the best (and presumed disciplined)
2003 NC team under Saban @ LSU, be penalized so much more than a 2003 Bama team thats in the midst of a period of turmoil ?

Nor does it explain how Saban's first , worst(6-6 regular season) and least disciplined team @ Bama, his 2007 team, led the SEC as the least penalized team. And what a surprise , their opponents were the most penalized. I don't care if Wiki doesn't like this data in that it includes non SEC games . It's still informative & accurate enough to be RES IPSA ......It speaks for itself!

And to those in this thread that are hell bent on proving that the 2 most cheating programs in the SEC , Alabama & Auburn , aren't getting home cooking:
Look @ both schools history of doing anything to win and you'd be naive to think that either school wouldn't take care of any geographic , demographic , nepotistic , familial or whatever advantage that they would be able to give or receive!!!!!!

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2008 PENALTIES G No. Yards Avg/G
1. Alabama 5 18 127 25.4
2. Vanderbilt 4 11 115 28.8
3. Arkansas 4 23 137 34.2
4. Kentucky 4 23 153 38.2
5. S. Carolina 5 31 259 51.8
6. LSU 4 24 214 53.5
7. Auburn 5 36 271 54.2
8. Florida 4 32 217 54.2
9. Miss. State 5 35 273 54.6
10. Ole Miss 5 32 306 61.2
11. Tennessee 4 29 250 62.5
12. Georgia 5 53 437 87.4


2007 PENALTIES G No Yds Avg/G
1. Alabama 13 59 453 34.8
2. Vanderbilt 12 59 479 39.9
3. South Carolina 12 69 532 44.3
4. Tennessee 14 74 641 45.8
5. Ole Miss 12 77 571 47.6
6. Auburn 13 80 619 47.6
7. Mississippi State 13 77 680 52.3
8. Arkansas 13 82 707 54.4
9. Kentucky 13 83 717 55.2
10. Georgia 13 91 760 58.5
11. Florida 13 107 805 61.9
12. LSU 14 117 880 62.9


2007 OPPONENT PENALTIES G No Yds Avg/G
1. Alabama 13 99 863 66.4
2. Ole Miss 12 86 700 58.3
3. Kentucky 13 84 737 56.7
4. South Carolina 12 78 667 55.6
5. Auburn 13 90 715 55.0
6. Mississippi State 13 84 695 53.5
7. Georgia 13 89 692 53.2
8. Vanderbilt 12 83 631 52.6
9. Florida 13 83 600 46.2
10. Tennessee 14 91 641 45.8
11. Arkansas 13 70 566 43.5
12. LSU 14 67 566 40.4


2006 OPPONENT PENALTIES G No Yds Avg/G
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1. Alabama............. 13 90 732 56.3
2. Mississippi St...... 12 75 657 54.8
3. South Carolina...... 13 83 671 51.6
4. LSU................. 13 82 666 51.2
5. Kentucky............ 13 83 658 50.6
6. Vanderbilt.......... 12 69 598 49.8
7. Arkansas............ 14 81 618 44.1
8. Florida............. 14 81 595 42.5
9. Ole Miss............ 12 59 495 41.2
10.Georgia............. 13 70 529 40.7
11.Tennessee........... 13 66 481 37.0
12.Auburn.............. 13 59 472 36.3

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total coincidence i'm sure

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Check out how many offensive holding calls have gone against Alabama the last two years.

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That has nothing to do with Alabama. The SEC does not call holding unless it is incredibly blatant. In 2007, opposing offenses were called for holding against LSU something like 7 times in 12 games. It just is not a priority.