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re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted on 10/21/10 at 4:32 pm to BengalBeaux
Posted on 10/21/10 at 4:32 pm to BengalBeaux
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The answer to this question CAN NOT be solved by simply using the quantitative data he's using (penalties). In order to arrive at the answer, you'll also need "qualitative" data which, as others have pointed out, takes into account the timing of the calls. But even moreso, you must realize that penalties are only one area with which officiating affects the outcome of games. You must also consider catch/not a catch, fumble/not a fumble, inbounds/out of bounds, touchback/not a touchback, touchdown/not a touchdown, and of course, spotting the ball after each down.
The needed data, not only the quantitative, but also qualitative data to do a relevant and meaningful analysis does not exist.
Wiki, please cease your ridulous pursuit. Because you do not have good data, any conclusions you derive are meaningless and useless. In the world of quantitative analysis: crap in = crap out
Please quit putting out crap.
oh please. Get the frick out of here with that shite.
Alright, how about this?
Since you are the one making the claim, then it is on you to PROVE IT!
So...until you present us with all this "qualitative" data (yes, you can get it) and analyze it, then I'm going to assume there is no bias in SEC officiating.
Until then, your beliefs are to be considered outrageous unproven claims.
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Posted on 10/21/10 at 4:33 pm to WikiTiger
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Replay has to be held to the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" in overturning calls, because if it wasn't, you would have these exact same arguements. If you could not - via video evidence - tell if a fumble was coming out or not before the runner was down, and the officials on the field ruled no fumble and then the replay booth said it was a fumble and the other team gets possesion, that would explode just as many conspiracy theories. The call on the field has to be the basis of truth and evidence has to be overwhelming to override that.
Do you honestly believe even a fraction of the bullshite you're spewing. I've watched a lot of Auburn football. Not once, not nary a time, has the replay official at Jurden-Hare ruled anything against Auburn. I'm sure you don't control it or are responsible for it; so don't take it personally, but the University of Auburn is blatant cheaters.
Posted on 10/21/10 at 4:40 pm to BengalBeaux
quote:Neither of us can prove anything. We only have our opinions, which differ, and that's fine.
Since you are the one making the claim, then it is on you to PROVE IT!
All I'm saying is that you have not, and can not quantitatively prove jackshit; so, quit misleading the poor sheoples into thinking that you have.
Posted on 10/21/10 at 4:41 pm to BengalBeaux
Your claim is that the officials are biased. But don't you get that while you are looking to make this claim, YOU ARE ALSO BIASED?
You think you have figured out a result. So from then on, in every instance, you look for evidence to back-up that result in which you want to prove to yourself is true. You ignore anything contrary to that point.
You think you have figured out a result. So from then on, in every instance, you look for evidence to back-up that result in which you want to prove to yourself is true. You ignore anything contrary to that point.
Posted on 10/21/10 at 4:47 pm to LSUJuice
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You think you have figured out a result. So from then on, in every instance, you look for evidence to back-up that result in which you want to prove to yourself is true. You ignore anything contrary to that point.
he's a classic example of confirmation bias
Posted on 10/21/10 at 4:50 pm to LSUJuice
quote:I've been looking for contrary evidence since 2006 in the way of the replay official ruling against Auburn. Hadn't seen it, if you know of an instance, please share it with me so that I can go back to believing everything is honkty-dory on the up-and-up when you play a game at Jurden-Hare.
You ignore anything contrary to that point.
Posted on 10/21/10 at 4:56 pm to BengalBeaux
quote:Wiki, you're the last one who needs to be accusing anyone of confirmation bias (pot calling the kettle black).
he's a classic example of confirmation bias
You know just enough about stats to be dangerous.
I'm proud that you made and A in Stats 2000, but please hold off on claiming you've quantitatively proved something at least until you've finished up with a 3000 level course.
This post was edited on 10/21/10 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 10/21/10 at 5:04 pm to BengalBeaux
quote:
Wiki, you're the last one who needs to be accusing anyone of confirmation bias (pot calling the kettle black).
You know just enough about stats to be dangerous.
I'm proud that you made and A in Stats 2000, but please hold off on claiming you've quantitatively proved something at least until you've finished up with a 3000 level course.
I've at least presented evidence.
You haven't presented a damn thing except hot air.
Posted on 10/21/10 at 5:48 pm to WikiTiger
quote:Nope, as I've explained before, you've presented crap that you've erroneously claimed was proof, evidence, etc..
I've at least presented evidence.
quote:I've presented my opinion and the reasons I have the opinion I have.
You haven't presented a damn thing except hot air.
You've also presented your opinion which I respect, as everyone has a right to their opinion. What I don't respect is your incorrect, misleading, and false claims that what you're presenting is proven fact.
Posted on 10/21/10 at 6:02 pm to BengalBeaux
quote:
You've also presented your opinion which I respect, as everyone has a right to their opinion. What I don't respect is your incorrect, misleading, and false claims that what you're presenting is proven fact.
You're really starting to get annoying.
Someone posted a series of penalty stats of 5 SEC teams from 2002 through 2007. He, and others in this thread, claimed that there was a difference in the numbers for Auburn and Alabama (that they were penalized less than other teams).
I ran those numbers through a proven formula to determine if there really was a difference and the results showed that THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE.
That is a FACT.
Then, I used that fact to bolster my already held opinion that there is no bias in SEC officiating. Sure, SEC officiating is shitty, but there is no bias.
You've only gotten on here and blown hot air up everyone's arse. And now you're trying to distract everyone by calling the evidence I presented "crap."
You are truly a poor debater.
Posted on 10/21/10 at 6:08 pm to BengalBeaux
these are the calls i remember from teh 06' game that were bad:
1) the interference at the end of the game that the flag was picked for some unknown reason, pursuant to a ref meeting on the field
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2) the jacob hester 4 and 1 catch/fumble that was called an incomplete. he caught the ball and ran 3 steps and then just happened to fumble it
3) there was a long pass that went out of bounds, our def. was called for a PI. it wasn't even nearly catchable. Before that series, we had a long pass, same situation and it was a PI. and it wasn't thrown.
from what i remember, i counted 8 to 10 very odd calls that went down. it's the worst i've ever seen in any football game.
1) the interference at the end of the game that the flag was picked for some unknown reason, pursuant to a ref meeting on the field
LINK
2) the jacob hester 4 and 1 catch/fumble that was called an incomplete. he caught the ball and ran 3 steps and then just happened to fumble it
3) there was a long pass that went out of bounds, our def. was called for a PI. it wasn't even nearly catchable. Before that series, we had a long pass, same situation and it was a PI. and it wasn't thrown.
from what i remember, i counted 8 to 10 very odd calls that went down. it's the worst i've ever seen in any football game.
Posted on 10/21/10 at 8:11 pm to WikiTiger
quote:There is no debate. My point has been made, you don't have nor will you ever have quantitative data to settle the question as to if SEC officiating in biased or not. You want to represent your point of view as more than an opinion; it is not.
You are truly a poor debater.
quote:You solicited this specific data which you probably knew existed and had already ran your ANOVA test. You were chomping at the bit to try and impress us with your brilliance by posting your faux scientific evidence even though I and others had previously informed you in kinder words that it was meaningless.
Someone posted a series of penalty stats of 5 SEC teams from 2002 through 2007. He, and others in this thread, claimed that there was a difference in the numbers for Auburn and Alabama (that they were penalized less than other teams).
You're certainly no scientist. You're not even an objective person. What you are is a persistent opinionated incessant (>18,000 posts) mouthpiece spinmaster.
The good news; once you finally find that there are other things to do with your life than post on the rant, you'll find there's plenty of opportunity in this world for someone like yourself. Opportunities abound and stubbornly dishonest people like yourself can thrive in politics, used car sales, global warming research, etc.. Have a great life.
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