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Posted on 7/21/10 at 4:08 am
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/21/10 at 4:08 am
This might be a little off topic but I paid $2.38 for gas yesterday up here in Arkansas. That's the lowest gas has been around here for probably a year. The gasoline market baffles me somewhat. Usually when there is some kind of monumental catastrophe the price of gas always rises for whatever reasons. It hasn't around here too much lately except preceding Memorial Day, which is always the case before a big holiday it seems.

Seeing as to how electric rates are regulated, to a point, would it be bad for us consumers if the gas industry was regulated? I'm not real sure either way. Convince me.
Posted by lashinala
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Posted on 7/21/10 at 5:12 am to
Or they could just bring the prices up and have us pay directly for the disaster in the gulf ourselves!
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56127 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 5:24 am to
That is an indirect possibility before this is all over.
Posted by lashinala
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Posted on 7/21/10 at 5:59 am to
I honestly think that the push to end oil speculation has probably done more for gas prices than anything else. I like the prices low, and not having the 'wild ride' of low, high, low, etc. is a definate benefit.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28165 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 6:37 am to
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push to end oil speculation


I don't think anything legislatively has changed. It's come down due to the GFC and the uncertainty in growth.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
31888 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 6:44 am to
It's simple supply and demand. Gasoline demand is down, and continuing to decrease. And locally, Marathon's Garyville refinery just doubled their capacity, adding to the glut, along with Europe dumping gasoline in the US as most of their vehicles go the diesel route. I am sure that few will believe it, but the refiners in this country are bleeding red ink, and there will be more rationalization (shutdowns) before it gets better. And poof, there go more jobs, direct and trickle down. And Obama and the EPA will dance on the refiners graves.
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17645 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 6:56 am to
I deal a lot on the refining side and it is not that doom and gloom. It will be a year or two before refiners start making decent profits and seeing better crack spreads. Right now it is all supply and demand and the demand is not there.
Posted by Icansee4miles
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/21/10 at 7:13 am to
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it is not that doom and gloom


Valero has already shutdown their Delaware City refinery and I thought their Aruba refinery. And it ain't over yet. Once more capacity is lost to permanent shutdowns, then the graphs might turn up, but not likely until then.
Posted by cyogi
Member since Feb 2009
5145 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 7:42 am to
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The gasoline market baffles me somewhat.


Manipulation
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17645 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 8:07 am to
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Valero has already shutdown their Delaware City refinery and I thought their Aruba refinery. And it ain't over yet. Once more capacity is lost to permanent shutdowns, then the graphs might turn up, but not likely until then.


Yes they did initially shut down a process unit in Deleware City but then decided to shut it down and sell it. It was no longer working in ther overall plan. Aruba was becuase it is a pain in the arse to do business there, corrupt, they want as many locals in technical roles (which they are not skilled at) so it was a no brainer. That was a mess with Coastal Refining had it.

Valero is talking about going back to the 2b expansion at St Charles Refinery here in NOLA metro. Not sure when that will be done but there is a lot of equipment being stored on site. Crack spreads are low, refining is not good, but it will not go away. Demand has to raise and that is the overall economy and the administration is not doing much to make people feel comfortable on that. Especially with they way they are spending and digging us up to our eyeballs in debt.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40010 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 9:41 am to
Damn it's $2.56 south of Lafayette ... and aren't we closer to the refineries? Oh, wait ... damn taxes.
Posted by lsualec78
alexandria
Member since May 2008
1363 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 10:38 am to
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Damn it's $2.56 south of Lafayette


It's around 2.50 in Shreveport. And to add this city is booming with oil and gas jobs now. Both my brothers- landman and geologist- are busy as hell. It surprised me a little since the Haynesville shale thing has calmed down somewhat.
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17645 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 2:18 pm to
2.48 in Covington
Posted by Frankie Knuckles
Member since Jul 2010
2807 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 2:30 pm to
Oil brokers and futures traders dictate the prices
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
14051 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 3:24 pm to
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Oil brokers and futures traders dictate the prices
Correct. And while gas prices are down some now, futures seem to point to a spike a few years down the road because of the drilling moratorium. If we fall behind in exploring/drilling new deep water sources, as the current ones are used up supply then drops and prices go up up up.
Posted by Mindenfan
Minden
Member since Sep 2006
4823 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 3:29 pm to
Cheapest gas in Minden was $2.56 this morning. In Bossier City, I found it for $2.44
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 3:51 pm
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26327 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 3:40 pm to
Enjoy it will you can. The moratorium is going to limit supply in the future and prices will likely go up above 3 dollars a gallon and will never return to the 2.50 price we see now. It is going to take a while for this to affect supply. Probably a year or two or three. But the effect whenever it reaches the pump will be felt by everyone.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25843 posts
Posted on 7/21/10 at 3:48 pm to
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2.48 in Covington


Paid $2.69 for Diesel this afternoon.
Posted by kingfish
Member since Jan 2007
853 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 9:34 am to
Most people will not like what I am about to say, but if we are to really address our long term energy consumption and wean ourselves from foreign oil this is what we need to do:
Gas and diesel prices in this country should have a cost at the pump of minimal $3.50. It is the only way we can truly develop alternative energy and support domestic production. The govt can use the present difference in price to support alternative energy of biodiesel and ethanol and others. Domestic drilling can have confidence that they will be able to drill in more difficult and expensive areas.
I know people will scream about paying higher prices, but the truth is they will be paying that in the future anyway and we will have done nothing to reduce our dependance on foreign oil.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26327 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 10:18 am to
Destroying the economy is not going to user in an oil free utopia. Technological advancements can. And that requires investments and those investments depend on a strong economy.
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