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Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:23 pm to ShortyRob
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Well, if you're asking me what rule I would make, I would make it "goaltending" for ANY shot that is ON GOAL and illegally blocked at a point beyond a given box(I'm sure the powers that be could figure this one out). I don't care if the fricking opposing goal keeper kicked the ball.
How about this, you do a redcard handball in the box behind your keeper, and its a goal. Simple.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:23 pm to thenry712
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Most goals come during the run of play and are hardly accidental. Please stop flaming.
yeah, this guy is out of his mind. I am done with this stupid thread.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:29 pm to Tigercat
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How about this, you do a redcard handball in the box behind your keeper, and its a goal. Simple.
No, you don't give a touchdown for pass interference in the endzone. You don't give a home run to the Orioles because the Yankee kid fan interfered and no one called it. You don't give two points for fouling a basketball player on a layup. You don't give a goal in hockey for tripping a fast break.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:42 pm to thenry712
none of those are really comparable (well at least to today's play), the touchdown pass could be dropped, the guy could miss the layup, the hockey player could shoot wide, etc., etc. I get that people think it would be too arbitrary a rule but those aren't comparable to a ball that is obviously going in the net unless someone keeps it out with their hand.
The problem with the rule would be the situations where it would be too much to interpret, i.e. if a ball looks like its going in but it could have possibly hit the post.
The problem with the rule would be the situations where it would be too much to interpret, i.e. if a ball looks like its going in but it could have possibly hit the post.
This post was edited on 7/2/10 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:45 pm to thenry712
he was caught with a handball, same thing happened in the Aussie game, the guy just missed the shot, that's why they lost.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 11:05 pm to ornagestorm
If I'm a Ghana fan the ONLY thing I'm pissed off about is that Gyan missed.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 11:15 pm to Beer Gut
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I don't understand why people are even debating this. It seems to me that anyone who has ever played or watched soccer before would realize that this is a part of the game.
we are debating this bc people who never watch or play soccer come in here and bitch about shite and think they know enough to suggest stupid new rules that are completely unwarranted.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 11:20 pm to thenry712
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Most goals come during the run of play and are hardly accidental. Please stop flaming.
actually a pretty high percentage of goals come from set pieces (about 40%). almost none are accidental or anything, but it's a good percentage. not that this really contradicts anything you said, just saying.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 12:04 am to rockchlkjayhku11
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we are debating this bc people who never watch or play soccer come in here and bitch about shite and think they know enough to suggest stupid new rules that are completely unwarranted.
You don't think a redcard handball on a ball right at an unprotected net is an unusual circumstance?
And you really think awarding a goal in that situation is "stupid and completely unwarranted?"
I mean it is one thing to say it would be against the spirit of international football. But all things being equal, such a rule makes a lot more sense than not having it.
Because the bottom line of what happened is a player committed an ejection offense that changed a 100% SURE GAME WINNING GOAL into something that is not a sure thing. Maybe you can't do anything to change what happened, but it sure as hell shouldn't sit well with FIFA or any international football organization.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 12:06 am to Crede15
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The problem with the rule would be the situations where it would be too much to interpret, i.e. if a ball looks like its going in but it could have possibly hit the post.
Which is why I say again, what is wrong with a redcard handball in the box, behind the goalie, equaling a goal? That certainly isn't arbitrary. Or at least no more arbitrary than on or offside calls.
This post was edited on 7/3/10 at 12:09 am
Posted on 7/3/10 at 12:41 am to Tigercat
One thing I think many of us are missing in this controversy is the split second decision Suarez made on the play. Hardly anyone would have the fortitude to think that fast and slap the ball down preventing the goal. Hell his teammate on the line tried to legally clear the ball with his head. Most humans don't react that fast or take too long to make that decision.
And yes many non-soccer fans come onto this board to bitch about a sport they understand little about. Most of the complaints about the situation have a tinge of thinking that this situation occurs often. What made this play so remarkable is that no one had ever done this before in this situation. Handballs preventing goals occur often and are dealt with often. And almost always the penalty is converted. We've never seen something so deliberate and intentional, but somehow essentially going unpunished by karma (outside of Suarez's suspension and card).
And yes many non-soccer fans come onto this board to bitch about a sport they understand little about. Most of the complaints about the situation have a tinge of thinking that this situation occurs often. What made this play so remarkable is that no one had ever done this before in this situation. Handballs preventing goals occur often and are dealt with often. And almost always the penalty is converted. We've never seen something so deliberate and intentional, but somehow essentially going unpunished by karma (outside of Suarez's suspension and card).
Posted on 7/3/10 at 12:52 am to thenry712
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One thing I think many of us are missing in this controversy is the split second decision Suarez made on the play.
yeah, but i think that some of that comes from the "oh, shite!" moment that comes from a last gasp defending effort. i don't even think that it was malicious, "i'm going to cheat ghana out of a world cup with my hands." i think it was more, "can't. let. ghana. score."
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What made this play so remarkable is that no one had ever done this before in this situation.
exactly. you could be tim howard hanging out on your goal line with a guy blasting shots from the six and you'd have a hard time saving it. there was nothing about that "foul" that was anything short of incredible, especially after he had just cleared the ball off of the line as a striker. when he did it, he just struck me as a guy with a whole lot of fricking balls. i think that both of his reactions afterward said a lot.
This post was edited on 7/3/10 at 12:56 am
Posted on 7/3/10 at 12:58 am to Tigercat
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Or at least no more arbitrary than on or offside calls.
except, here, you don't absolutely grant the other team a goal.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 1:00 am to Tigercat
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Because the bottom line of what happened is a player committed an ejection offense that changed a 100% SURE GAME WINNING GOAL into something that is not a sure thing
but, there are so many different situations that could occur that could call for that rule to be employed. like i've said in this thread, it's one of those "where do you draw the line" calls.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 9:29 am to plaxico
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but i don't really see the point. what separates a guy with his foot on the goal line from any other handball in the vicinity of the goal line?
It's just to make the rule more clear and specific (easier for the ref). If he's off the goalline, then you can still give a PK. If he's on, which is easy to tell, then it's a goal. I mean, you could argue what's the difference between a foul a foot outside the 18, and a foul a foot inside? Really not much, but one results in a likely goal (80%) off a PK, the other results in a less likely goal off a free kick (25%?).
Posted on 7/3/10 at 9:46 am to rockchlkjayhku11
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we are debating this bc people who never watch or play soccer come in here and bitch about shite and think they know enough to suggest stupid new rules that are completely unwarranted.
Rockchalk, first, I'm not "bitching", I'm making a suggestion. Second, I've watched a ton of soccer in my life and know the rules/situations extremely well. I just feel this rule is not unwarranted, and I don't know how you can say that after yesterday. You might say there's too much tradition to change it or it's too arbitrary/difficult to enforce (though I disagree, I can see that argument), but I don't know how you can say that that change would be unwarranted, if there was a way for it to not be as arbitrary.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 6:06 pm to noonan
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Jesus you are an idiot.
Yes, he was.
Should have sought assylum outside the Roman Empire.
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