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Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:26 pm to noonan
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So are you going to determine intent too? Or just every hand ball?
Don't they already do this? It would be pretty easy to see if someone was intentionally extending hands to knock down a shot on the goal line. If not, let it ride with the penalty.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:27 pm to DonChulio
My goodness this thread is frustrating...
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:27 pm to hendersonshands
Don't know why people would be blaming Suarez. He made a great play.
That being said, there should be a clause in the rulebook that allows a ref to award a goal if a handball occurs on the goalline on a ball that would otherwise be heading into the net.
That being said, there should be a clause in the rulebook that allows a ref to award a goal if a handball occurs on the goalline on a ball that would otherwise be heading into the net.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:30 pm to ThePlumber
But they don't award the goal on intent.
And again, where would you start awarding goals?
Say the keeper is out of the box and uses his hands on a ball that was kicked from midfield. The ball was going towards the goal, but might have missed.
Does the ref now give the goal?
And again, where would you start awarding goals?
Say the keeper is out of the box and uses his hands on a ball that was kicked from midfield. The ball was going towards the goal, but might have missed.
Does the ref now give the goal?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:30 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Don't know why people would be blaming Suarez. He made a great play. That being said, there should be a clause in the rulebook that allows a ref to award a goal if a handball occurs on the goalline on a ball that would otherwise be heading into the net.
This. Suarez did just what everybody else would have done. And if they made a rule it would have to be very narrow, as in if a ball is past the goalie and kept out on the goalline then its an automatic goal.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:31 pm to ThePlumber
Intent with handballs is very ambiguous in calling it. A player may just be trying to get in the way of a ball in the box but his hand hits the ball. Although he wasn't trying to handle it, he intentionally moved his body in front of the ball's path. The call is made and the player is sent off.
Suarez clearly attempted to handle the ball and should be suspended/carded.
Both of these cases are considered intentional handballs making the definition of intentional ambiguous.
Suarez clearly attempted to handle the ball and should be suspended/carded.
Both of these cases are considered intentional handballs making the definition of intentional ambiguous.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:32 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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That being said, there should be a clause in the rulebook that allows a ref to award a goal if a handball occurs on the goalline on a ball that would otherwise be heading into the net.
meh, it almost never happens and if it does it almost never happens at that point of a game. So I think the rule is just fine the way it is. It's the only way it's fair thoughout the game.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:34 pm to noonan
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it almost never happens
"Almost never". Not "never".
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:39 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
FWIW I don't even think intent would matter if they made a rule like that (obviously there's no reason to think they will so this is all hypothetical), if its past the goalie and is kept out by a hand on the goalline then its a goal whether there was clear intent or not.
Whatever, I think the bigger problem is the two yellow cards=suspension in the next game rule considering how soft some yellows are.
Whatever, I think the bigger problem is the two yellow cards=suspension in the next game rule considering how soft some yellows are.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:41 pm to noonan
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meh, it almost never happens and if it does it almost never happens at that point of a game. So I think the rule is just fine the way it is.
Your justification of the quality of the rule is that it rarely comes into play? Even though it just happened in a World Cup quarterfinal match a few hours ago?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:47 pm to ThePlumber
It was a great move by the guy. Say what you want, if it wasn't for him, They'd be going home.
This post was edited on 7/2/10 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:47 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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That being said, there should be a clause in the rulebook that allows a ref to award a goal if a handball occurs on the goalline on a ball that would otherwise be heading into the net.
No fricking way, referees are too incompetent to do this.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:51 pm to ThePlumber
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Your justification of the quality of the rule is that it rarely comes into play? Even though it just happened in a World Cup quarterfinal match a few hours ago?
not at all, my justification is the other stuff that I posted and other posters have said.
That part was just me saying that this rules "problem" doesn't bother me at all.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:56 pm to Crede15
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FWIW I don't even think intent would matter if they made a rule like that (obviously there's no reason to think they will so this is all hypothetical), if its past the goalie and is kept out by a hand on the goalline then its a goal whether there was clear intent or not.
Agree. It's not about intent at all. Whether intentional or not, if a defender is on the goalline and the ball is clearly heading into the net if it doesn't strike his arm, it's a goal, whether he meant to touch it or not.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:58 pm to hendersonshands
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No fricking way, referees are too incompetent to do this.
If refs are too incompetent for this, we have much, much bigger problems on our hands.
And worst case, if they're not sure it'd be going in if it didn't hit their hand, or they're not sure if they're on the goalline, they can still award a penalty. Only if it's completely obvious (like today, Germany 02 [had the ref seen it in the first place], etc) would the goal be awarded.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:11 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
I don't understand why people are even debating this. It seems to me that anyone who has ever played or watched soccer before would realize that this is a part of the game.
Suarez made a play that will be admired by most soccer players around the world.
Suarez made a play that will be admired by most soccer players around the world.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:12 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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That being said, there should be a clause in the rulebook that allows a ref to award a goal if a handball occurs on the goalline on a ball that would otherwise be heading into the net.
that's too arbitrary. there would be some terrible fricking decisions (see: usa facehand). there's too much going on in front of goal to figure out everything that would factor into that rule while play is going on.
This post was edited on 7/2/10 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:13 pm to ShortyRob
I like the way it plays out. I saw a similar thing in a Celtic/Rangers match a couple of years ago and I liked it then too.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:17 pm to Beer Gut
Of course its part of the game but I don't know why that's a good defense for it whether you agree with the rule or not. The two yellow cards in consecutive games rule is part of the game but I definitely don't agree with it. Pass interference in college football being a 15 yard penalty regardless of how long the play was is part of the game but I don't think its the right rule.
And this has nothing to do with Suarez (at least for me) I agree that everyone else would have done it too.
And this has nothing to do with Suarez (at least for me) I agree that everyone else would have done it too.
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