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Barges full of rock being held in the river
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:51 am
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:51 am
Got this post from another site.
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Still waiting.
I have been sitting in the river with 10 loaded barges of limestone for the Barataria bay passes for 4 days now. We brought these barges down from western Kentucky, arriving in N.O. on Monday and where told that the permit was going to be ready when we got here. We have several other tow's that have been held up farther north because nobody knows when or if we'll get the green light. Now they are saying nothing will happen until Tuesday because the Army Corps offices in Washington are closed for the holiday weekend. WHAT?! THAT OIL DOES NOT TAKE HOLIDAYS AND NEITHER SHOULD THE PEOPLE WORKING ON STOPPING IT. Once again our federal government have proven to us that we do not matter in their eye's.
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Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:13 am to meauxjeaux2
interesting. What site?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:14 am to Venicetiger
LASM
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:19 am to meauxjeaux2
What is LASM?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:20 am to Venicetiger
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:27 am to meauxjeaux2
The red tape is killing this thing, absolutely ridiculous
Posted on 7/2/10 at 11:01 am to meauxjeaux2
Apparently these rocks along the passes are a pretty bad idea anyway. Kinda like the sand berms.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 11:43 am to swampdawg
What would happen if Jindal just ordered them to proceed?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 3:35 pm to seawolf06
THIS barge may have been waiting for 4 days but other equipment and materials for this project has been at the site for weeks waiting on a decision.
First it was waiting on permits, then it was they aren't going to do this project at all for fear it would not be a good thing to do for the marsh, then it was back on and now it is on hold again.
Agree or disagree with the project the decision to do it or not should have been made long ago.
(No I didn't plagiarize I am the one that posted this comment on La. Sportsman website too)
First it was waiting on permits, then it was they aren't going to do this project at all for fear it would not be a good thing to do for the marsh, then it was back on and now it is on hold again.
Agree or disagree with the project the decision to do it or not should have been made long ago.
(No I didn't plagiarize I am the one that posted this comment on La. Sportsman website too)
Posted on 7/2/10 at 7:20 pm to meauxjeaux2
Posted on 7/3/10 at 4:28 am to omegaman66
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Agree or disagree with the project the decision to do it or not should have been made long ago.
This is what I don't get. You are never going to have the 100% solution from the start. Get things going and adjust after you see some progress.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 5:36 pm to C
Keep the damn rocks on the barges...blocking the bays is one of the WORST ideas to come out of this disaster yet (right up there with the sand barriers).
You can't stop the tide from moving in and out. When you block up those bays, water is going to push in other places, causing problems in unexpected ways. I'm not a big fan of the Corp of Engineers, but they got it right this time.
It boggles my mind how politicians think they can come up with solutions to any problem. Nearly EVERY expert emphatically states that this is a horrible idea, yet the politicians still want to act so they can say they did something to prevent the spread of the disaster...no matter the cost.
Dump the politicians' ideas, they're all trying to make a name.
You can't stop the tide from moving in and out. When you block up those bays, water is going to push in other places, causing problems in unexpected ways. I'm not a big fan of the Corp of Engineers, but they got it right this time.
It boggles my mind how politicians think they can come up with solutions to any problem. Nearly EVERY expert emphatically states that this is a horrible idea, yet the politicians still want to act so they can say they did something to prevent the spread of the disaster...no matter the cost.
Dump the politicians' ideas, they're all trying to make a name.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 6:04 pm to stewie
Its pretty bad when near 100% of scientists are against the rocks and the entire berm project yet political figures think they know it all.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 6:55 pm to Mudminnow
As of today the idea has been killed.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 6:58 pm to omegaman66
Washington HATES Rocks........and sand berms.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 9:26 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
One of the guys on the radio today that is pimping this project said they had hired a company that researched the hell out of the plan with scientific back up and all and it should be good.
Of course he could be as full of shite as a two bit gov. paper pusher.
Of course he could be as full of shite as a two bit gov. paper pusher.
Posted on 7/3/10 at 10:40 pm to notiger1997
Baritaria Pass would get more volume of water if this were to be done and the velocity of water through that pass would be increased. But whenever you put any restriction into a system the net result is going to be slightly less influx water in and out of the bay. Currently Caminada pass allows some sands to form small island behind Grand Isle. But they are small an ever changing.
It seems to me that the flow of sand down the beach would be forced to stay on the surf side and would probably help Grand Isle maintain its size better.
If you go back in time each of these passes we have was at some point in the past closed by land until a breach was formed. I fail to see how filling this particular pass would destroy any wetlands. The saltwater line would move slightly further south. Maybe only a foot... maybe 100 yards... who knows. But the longer the water stays in the area the longer the sediments in that water (read Davis Pond) have a chance to drop out.
Yes I know we are talking about amounts here that probably aren't even measurable, but it is a start.
It seems to me the coastal scientist have been clamering to do this sort of thing but lacked the funds. This project was dreamed up after the oil spill it was dreamed up years ago but we didn't have the funds. Now that we have the funds via BP why is the plan no longer any good? Smells like politics.
Clarification: I am ONLY talking here about the rocks for Caminada pass and not all of the sand berms. Two seperate issues, with objections of different grounds.
It seems to me that the flow of sand down the beach would be forced to stay on the surf side and would probably help Grand Isle maintain its size better.
If you go back in time each of these passes we have was at some point in the past closed by land until a breach was formed. I fail to see how filling this particular pass would destroy any wetlands. The saltwater line would move slightly further south. Maybe only a foot... maybe 100 yards... who knows. But the longer the water stays in the area the longer the sediments in that water (read Davis Pond) have a chance to drop out.
Yes I know we are talking about amounts here that probably aren't even measurable, but it is a start.
It seems to me the coastal scientist have been clamering to do this sort of thing but lacked the funds. This project was dreamed up after the oil spill it was dreamed up years ago but we didn't have the funds. Now that we have the funds via BP why is the plan no longer any good? Smells like politics.
Clarification: I am ONLY talking here about the rocks for Caminada pass and not all of the sand berms. Two seperate issues, with objections of different grounds.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 11:11 am to omegaman66
Why would sand berms be bad? And how would it cause more coastal erosion?
The only way for the coast to build up would be from the river's sand. Building berms will not mess with the sand because the sand comes from within the river and not from the gulf. It might change tides for inside water and the way the tides work but nothing will good will come from outside waters in the way of building the coast. If anything the Berms may help collect sand from going out and washing away into the deeper gulf. That is how the delta was formed in the first place. By filling in shallow waters with river sand.
The only way for the coast to build up would be from the river's sand. Building berms will not mess with the sand because the sand comes from within the river and not from the gulf. It might change tides for inside water and the way the tides work but nothing will good will come from outside waters in the way of building the coast. If anything the Berms may help collect sand from going out and washing away into the deeper gulf. That is how the delta was formed in the first place. By filling in shallow waters with river sand.
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