re: Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf still playing at 41 in Japan

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There are few people in this world that I am more willing to forgive than that guy. From everything I've heard about him, he's a great person, even if he was gullible enough to get mixed up with some less than stellar associations.

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This. Sometimes, a young guy has the courage to do something that turns out to be dumb. We have all done that (although probably not on such a grand scale).

My God is better than your God

If you don't agree with my religious and social thought process, you are a piece shite and I hope you rot in hell?????

Sure, his thoughts were hypocrital in some measure, but the kid was just trying to find his way in this crazy world. Hell, I would put some of you jackasses on the other end of the spectrum but I wish you no ill will.......some of you guys have non-independent ways of thinking just like he did/does...

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ownus

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If you're gonna try using obscure words, use a dictionary.

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So, in your mind the ownus is on the American public to ignore his anti-American sentiment...rather than him to offer respect and appreciation for the country that provides every bit of his opportunity?

That's a backwards way of thinking, IMO.

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No, that is not what I said or trying to say....what I was trying to convey was there was endless amounts of blood shed in American History for MAR to have the right to have a silent protest....however you may feel about his social views. To try to deny that is Un-American....just because you disagree with it, it's Un-American????....some people can make the argument they do certain things because the love their country and want their country to be better...

I would agree that his thought process was flawed but simple objection does not equate to Un-American

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Even Jehovah's Witnesses

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enough talent in those Rudy Macklin, DeWayne Scale days which was late 70's, early 80's to win consecutive NCAA titles with a blindfold on and couldn't do it!

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The 81 team was easily the most talented, mature, well-rounded team in america. Rudy's hand injury doomed them probably. that team SHOULD have won it.

82 and 83 were pretty down.
84, 85 were solid.
There were packed houses.

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but after those glory days, LSU Basketball was on the decline until he recruited C Jackson,

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Mad stupid, just 100% incorrect.

1986, John Williams, Don Redden, Derrick Taylor,Ricky Blanton, Anthony Williams, etc FINAL FOUR.

1987 Darrel Joe comes in,the big Wampus Cat returns, LSU goes to Final 8, one basket away from Final 4 in Nola....

The excitement around the program and the status of the program had never been higher.
You couldn't back your car up anywhere in america without almost backing over Daddy Dale, he was seemingly EVERYWHERE.

CJ was just the latest in a long line of top tier talent.
He was just a little MORE top tier !
There was no decline.
The Assembly Center was packed through the Ice Reynolds days, the Derrick taylor/Don Redden/John Williams days, etc.

The loss to Ga Tech ( a MUCH MORE MATURE and equally talented team) was no shocker and certainly not something unexpected. It is just revisionist history of the casual fan who wants to act like he knows what he is talking about.

I never missed a game of Shaq's or Cj's at LSU.
CJ was the FAR better player.
he inspired AWE.
Shaq developed into an awesome player.
He was physically imposing, but unrefined.
CJ got here and started scoring 50+ right out of the box.

Hell, when Shaq went into the pros all the idiot scouts were still yapping about Laettner being a more solid player with a better pro future...yada...yada...yada....

The loss that kills me during Shaq's career was the loss to Indiana, not the loss to Ga. Tech.

Yeah.
Laetner was the "classy" face of college basketball.
Shaq was a "dumb thug" with a purely physical game.


How'd that work out ?
Geaux Shaq Daddy !

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The 81 team was easily the most talented, mature, well-rounded team in america. Rudy's hand injury probably doomed them. that team SHOULD have won it.

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talk about Mad stupid and 100% incorrect, you don't lose a game due to one player's injury with all that talent, DB's coaching was always the culprit anyway you look at it.

and I disagree with that team being the most talented, like I said late 70's early 80's when he had Macklin along with incredible shooting Scales, the Green brothers, one whom was all sec and Ethan running the show, and Cookie Monster comin off da bench and still couldn't get it done is just plain inexcusable.

and I'm a casual fan.

and each time LSU lost, they lost to an eventual NCAA champion and basically it was one standout player beating a whole team of incredible players in LSU, first Magic with his shitty cast with Mich State, then Dr. Dunk(Darrell Griffith) and a so so Louisville cast, and later Isiah(1981) the year you are talkin about Indiana with another shitty cast. None of those teams had the talent LSU had, just those lone standout stars.

I'm not trying to knock CJ's game because, as you say, it was pretty good. But there isn't a person alive with reasonable sense who would or should take CJ over Shaq.

Shaq resume:
LSU:
2x All American
2x SEC Player of the Year
Adolph Rupp Trophy (NCAA mens Basketball Player Of the Year)
Holds NCAA record for blocks in a game (17 vs Moo St)

NBA:
#1 overall pick in NBA draft
NBA rookie of the year
NBA MVP (reg season)
2x NBA scoring titles
4x NBA championships
3x NBA finals MVP's
15x All Star
3x All Star game MVP
8x All NBA First Team


CJ resume:
LSU:
2x All American

NBA:
#3 overall pick in NBA draft
2x led the league in Free Throw %
Nearly set the NBA record for FT % in 93/94 (whatever that's worth)
Refused to stand for the National Anthem stating that the flag was a symbol of oppression and that the United States had a long history of tyranny.

Granted CJ has every right to pick his religion and practice it but to follow that with those comments is a slap in the face of the heroic men and women who died to give him the right to make those comments. That being said, I could give two shits what he did at LSU in his two short years and am more than happy that he is out of the country, albeit only during the Japanese basketball season.