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What the new credit card law means for you
Posted on 5/19/09 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 5/19/09 at 1:43 pm
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Now that lawmakers are close to finalizing federal laws to protect millions of consumers who rely on credit cards, it signals a new era of managing credit.
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Posted on 5/19/09 at 1:45 pm to Will Cover
and if you pay your bill on time and in full every month, here's what it means to you ...
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Credit Card Industry Aims to Profit From Sterling Payers
Credit cards have long been a very good deal for people who pay their bills on time and in full. Even as card companies imposed punitive fees and penalties on those late with their payments, the best customers racked up cash-back rewards, frequent-flier miles and other perks in recent years.
Now Congress is moving to limit the penalties on riskier borrowers, who have become a prime source of billions of dollars in fee revenue for the industry. And to make up for lost income, the card companies are going after those people with sterling credit.
Banks are expected to look at reviving annual fees, curtailing cash-back and other rewards programs and charging interest immediately on a purchase instead of allowing a grace period of weeks, according to bank officials and trade groups.
“It will be a different business,” said Edward L. Yingling, the chief executive of the American Bankers Association, which has been lobbying Congress for more lenient legislation on behalf of the nation’s biggest banks. “Those that manage their credit well will in some degree subsidize those that have credit problems.”
As they thin their ranks of risky cardholders to deal with an economic downturn, major banks including American Express, Citigroup, Bank of America and a long list of others have already begun to raise interest rates, and some have set their sights on consumers who pay their bills on time. The legislation scheduled for a Senate vote on Tuesday does not cap interest rates, so banks can continue to lift them, albeit at a slower pace and with greater disclosure.
“There will be one-size-fits-all pricing, and as a result, you’ll see the industry will be more egalitarian in terms of its revenue base,” said David Robertson, publisher of the Nilson Report, which tracks the credit card business.
People who routinely pay off their credit card balances have been enjoying the equivalent of a free ride, he said, because many have not had to pay an annual fee even as they collect points for air travel and other perks.
“Despite all the terrible things that have been said, you’re making out like a bandit,” he said. “That’s a third of credit card customers, 50 million people who have gotten a great deal.”
Robert Hammer, an industry consultant, said the legislation might have the broad effect of encouraging card issuers to become ever more reliant on fees from marginal customers as well as creditworthy cardholders — “deadbeats” in industry parlance, because they generate scant fee revenue.
“They aren’t charities. They have shareholders to report to,” he said, referring to banks and credit card companies. “Whatever is left in the model to work from, they will start to maneuver.”
Banks used to give credit cards only to the best consumers and charge them a flat interest rate of about 20 percent and an annual fee. But with the relaxing of usury laws in some states, and the ready availability of credit scores in the late 1980s, banks began offering cards with a variety of different interest rates and fees, tying the pricing to the credit risk of the cardholder.
That helped push interest rates down for many consumers, but they soared for riskier cardholders, who became a significant source of revenue for the industry. The recent economic downturn challenged that formula, and banks started dumping the riskiest customers and lowering their credit limits in earnest as the recession accelerated. Now, consumers who pay their bills off every month are issuing a rising chorus of complaints about shortened grace periods, new hidden fees and higher interest rates.
The industry says that the proposals will force banks to issue fewer credit cards at greater cost to the current cardholders.
Citigroup and Capital One referred comments to the A.B.A. Discover and American Express declined to comment. Bank of America intends to “provide credit to the largest number of creditworthy customers possible, while also remaining prudent in our lending practices,” said Betty Riess, a spokeswoman. Together with JPMorgan Chase, which has said the changes will force it to limit credit availability and raise fees, these banks account for 80 percent of the credit card industry.
Banks are not required to publicly reveal how much money they make from penalty interest rates and fees, though government officials and industry consultants estimate they constitute a growing portion of revenue.
For instance, Mr. Hammer said the amount of money generated by penalty fees like late charges and exceeding credit limits had increased by about $1 billion annually in recent years, and should top $20 billion this year.
Regulations passed by the Federal Reserve in December to curb unexpected interest charges would cost issuers about $12 billion a year in lost fees and income, according to industry calculations. The legislation before Congress would build on the Fed rules and would further squeeze banks’ revenue when they are being hit with a high rate of credit card charge-offs. The government’s stress tests showed that the nation’s 19 biggest banks will take on $82 billion in credit card losses in the next two years.
A 2005 report by the Government Accountability Office estimated that 70 percent of card issuers’ revenue came from interest charges, and the portion from penalty rates appeared to be growing. The remainder came from fees on cardholders as well as retailers for processing transactions. Many retailers are angry at the high fees and plan to pass them on to shoppers once the Congressional legislation takes effect.
Consumer advocates say they have little sympathy for credit card issuers, arguing that they have made billions in recent years with unfair and sometimes deceptive practices.
“The business model will change because the business model doesn’t work for the public,” said Gail Hillebrand, a senior lawyer at Consumers Union.
“In order to do business under the new rules, they’ll actually have to tell you how much it’s going to cost,” she said.
With many consumers mired in debt and angry at what they consider gouging by credit card companies, the issue of credit card reform has broad populist appeal. Members of Congress and the Obama administration have seized on the discontent to push reforms that the industry succeeded in tamping down when the economy was flying high.
Austan Goolsbee, an economic adviser to President Obama, said that while the credit card industry had the right to make a reasonable profit as long as its contracts were in plain language and rule-breakers were held accountable, its current practices were akin to “a series of carjackings.”
“The card industry is giving the argument that if you didn’t want to be carjacked, why weren’t you locking your doors or taking a different road?” Mr. Goolsbee said.
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Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:03 pm to Will Cover
Can you just put a teaser to the article, and a link, and not the entire articles? Thanks
Also, if my credit card company starts doing funny stuff like penalizing me for paying my bills in full every month, I will jump ship in a heartbeat to a card that doesn't pull that crap.
If they all do, then I guess I am screwed...
Also, if my credit card company starts doing funny stuff like penalizing me for paying my bills in full every month, I will jump ship in a heartbeat to a card that doesn't pull that crap.
If they all do, then I guess I am screwed...
Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:20 pm to Will Cover
Thanks for the info.
Here is my question. I'm one of those people who has NEVER failed to pay off at the end of the month. I don't want perks. I don't want frequent flier miles, etc. I just don't want to pay interest on using a card to hold motel reservations and pay for online or phone purchases that require a card.
The Question: Are they gonna charge me interest for purchases within the monthly period?
Here is my question. I'm one of those people who has NEVER failed to pay off at the end of the month. I don't want perks. I don't want frequent flier miles, etc. I just don't want to pay interest on using a card to hold motel reservations and pay for online or phone purchases that require a card.
The Question: Are they gonna charge me interest for purchases within the monthly period?
Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:22 pm to Zach
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charging interest immediately on a purchase instead of allowing a grace period of weeks, according to bank officials and trade groups.
I would say yes. Zach, why not just only use debit cards?
Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:25 pm to Chicken
quote:I think that there is still enough competitors in the market to prevent this from becoming an industry-wide policy.
If they all do,
What it will do is make fewer people eligible for credit cards, especially the marginally credit worthy consumers.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:28 pm to Will Cover
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Those that manage their credit well will in some degree subsidize those that have credit problems
Under the current/previous system, it was just the opposite. I think it will be good if credit card companies are less able to go after the weakest in the herd. I'm with Chicken though, you come after me I'm jumping ship, which means higher merchant rates which means higher prices.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:29 pm to lsugradman
I have never seen any advantage in the debit card vs. my credit card. I'm a cash and check guy. But if the CC is going to charge me interest for a day after purchase and the DC will not then I would switch.
BTW, I'm the rare guy you really want to have ahead of you in the grocery line. When the checkout girl says..."that'll be 22.37" I have two twenties, two ones, a quarter, a dime, a nickle and two pennies.
It takes about 5 seconds compared to the check writers, credit card and welfare idiots who keep punching buttons and waiting for verifications for a purchase of two dollars.
BTW, I'm the rare guy you really want to have ahead of you in the grocery line. When the checkout girl says..."that'll be 22.37" I have two twenties, two ones, a quarter, a dime, a nickle and two pennies.
It takes about 5 seconds compared to the check writers, credit card and welfare idiots who keep punching buttons and waiting for verifications for a purchase of two dollars.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:30 pm to Zach
Well you can still be "that guy" but use your debit card in place of the CC and not get the shaft on interest and fees.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:31 pm to Zach
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"that'll be 22.37" I have two twenties,
Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:51 pm to LSUtoOmaha
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you come after me I'm jumping ship, which means higher merchant rates which means higher prices.
Yep. I probably have a credit score in the top 5% of people and I am going to play the game until I run out of options. If they take away my rebate and reward points, etc, I will find a new company. If they all do it and then start with annual fees and immediate interest, then I am back to cash and check only for just about everything.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:52 pm to lsugradman
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Well you can still be "that guy" but use your debit card in place of the CC and not get the shaft on interest and fees.
If you are a responsible person, a credit card is a great thing. I have built excellent credit, earned over 1000 dollars in rewards and avoided those damned overdraft fees. The only downside of a credit card is with people who don't have the fiscal responsibility to use credit properly.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 2:53 pm to Zach
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Are they gonna charge me interest for purchases within the monthly period?
Yes, or so it appears.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 3:22 pm to Will Cover
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If you are a responsible person, a credit card is a great thing. I have built excellent credit, earned over 1000 dollars in rewards and avoided those damned overdraft fees. The only downside of a credit card is with people who don't have the fiscal responsibility to use credit properly.
I realize that dude, im one of the responsible people. But if you read the OP it seems that being fiscally responsible with credit cards with start to hurt more than help.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 3:24 pm to Will Cover
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Are they gonna charge me interest for purchases within the monthly period?
quote:I'm with Chicken on this. If that happens, I either move to another card or I just start using my debit card exclusively.
Yes, or so it appears.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 3:37 pm to lsugradman
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But if you read the OP it seems that being fiscally responsible with credit cards with start to hurt more than help.
That's because for over a decade the responsible have been racking up rewards at the expense of the irresponsible who racked up fees. All that's happening here is returning balance to the system and the responsible may start seeing the true cost of the convenience of credit cards.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 3:43 pm to TigerinATL
Please correct me if this is not right: DEBIT card purchases are not protected as CREDIT card purchases are. That may be wrong but that's my impression and I really can't say where that came from. Also, isn't one more protected from a CREDIT card than a DEBIT card in say stolen card purchases???
This sucks if responsible people are penalized for those that aren't.
This sucks if responsible people are penalized for those that aren't.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 4:10 pm to tiger91
If your debit card is used under the Visa /Mastercard logo its protected under their rules. It can be more of a pain in the arse though. If you use it as a debit function its through your bank. Example if someone steals your debit card and makes a non PIN based TXN you call your bank who opens up a fraud issue with mastercard who eats the charges. If they made a PIN based txn then its your bank who eats the charges.
Posted on 5/19/09 at 4:34 pm to Catman88
Thanks catman ... appreciate it.
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