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I’ll Say It Again, NATO Countries Will Choose China Over Us In Any Future Conflict
Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:53 am
Hot or cold.
RT
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Woke in Brussels, pragmatic in Beijing: Spain is making its move in China Four trips, dozens of deals, and one message: Madrid is moving closer to Beijing – on its own terms
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When Spain’s Pedro Sánchez arrived in Beijing in April for his fourth visit in four years, he did so for a tightly choreographed round of high-level meetings with Xi Jinping and senior Chinese officials, alongside business and academic engagements. Officially, the visit revolved around cooperation: trade, green energy, technology, and multilateral governance. Spain, Sánchez reiterated, rejects the fashionable rhetoric of “decoupling” and instead champions interconnected supply chains. He urged China to take on a greater role in global governance, from climate change to artificial intelligence to nuclear security.
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Meanwhile, Sánchez’s broader political ambitions are hard to ignore. Fresh from hosting a Barcelona gathering of global left-wing leaders aimed at countering the rise of the “far-right” and “authoritarian populists,” he appears keen to position as a figure of international progressive leadership within the EU.
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If the rhetoric occasionally drifts into abstraction, the substance of China-Spain relations is refreshingly concrete. China is Spain’s largest trading partner outside the EU, and economic ties are expanding rapidly. Chinese investment in Spain has grown by 50% between 2024 and 2025 compared to the previous two-year period, reaching around $3 billion. This capital is anchored in industrial projects that are reshaping Spain’s economic landscape
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Spain has also ventured into more sensitive technological territory. A strategic agreement with China’s Origin Quantum aims to develop Europe’s largest quantum computer, placing Spain at the forefront of emerging technologies – albeit with significant Chinese involvement. Meanwhile, Madrid’s decision to entrust Huawei with storing judicial wiretaps raised eyebrows among some allies, particularly as debates over telecom security intensify. Yet while others deliberate, Spain is building.
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Sánchez’s latest trip to Beijing delivered a dense package of outcomes that went well beyond diplomatic niceties. Nineteen bilateral agreements were signed, covering trade, technology, green energy, and infrastructure. These deals also established a new Strategic Diplomatic Dialogue Mechanism, institutionalizing regular high-level engagement between Spain and China. For Madrid, this represents a significant upgrade in its bilateral relationship – one that positions it as a key European partner for Beijing.
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Beyond economics, the visit included a strong cultural and academic component. Agreements were signed to expand cooperation in education, research, and cultural exchange. In a symbolic gesture, Sánchez was awarded an honorary professorship by the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences – an accolade that underscores the personal dimension of his engagement with China.
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:55 am to LuckyTiger
All day long and twice on Sunday. Yet, if they are threatened, they want protection from us.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:58 am to LuckyTiger
I've been reading about the imminent threat of China since 1987.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:02 am to LuckyTiger
Trump is China’s greatest asset
Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:05 am to LuckyTiger
maybe we shouldnt choose Argentina and El Salvador over the EU?
When the United States, which is EU's biggest trade partner puts tariffs on them,
they will go to the 2nd biggest trade partner.. China.
When the United States, which is EU's biggest trade partner puts tariffs on them,
they will go to the 2nd biggest trade partner.. China.
This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:05 am to Wildcat1996
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I've been reading about the imminent threat of China since 1987
If you want to read about “imminent risk” look at what the CEOs for Toyota and other companies are saying after visiting Chinese car factories.
Their electric cars are about to own that entire segment at the price points they can charge absent protectionism.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:27 am to tide06
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Their electric cars are about to own that entire segment at the price points they can charge absent protectionism.
And without government subsidies, the EV market will collapse.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:31 am to LuckyTiger
Let China try and defend Spain when they really piss us off.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:34 am to LuckyTiger
Probably correct. They certainly don’t trust the US any more than they do China. It’s all transactional now.
Isn’t that what Trump was expecting to happen with all of his insult rhetoric, tariffs, and NATO threats?
Isn’t that what Trump was expecting to happen with all of his insult rhetoric, tariffs, and NATO threats?
Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:35 am to Wildcat1996
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I've been reading about the imminent threat of China since 1987.
China is patient. Their strategy is long term and subtle.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:51 am to Tigergreg
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China is patient. Their strategy is long term and subtle.
This old canard has also been regurgitated for as long as I can recall.
China's leadership is no less short-sighted than anyone else's. It doesn't matter if you are well-positioned for 100 years down the road if the populace revolts and hangs you from a tree in 10.
If China is so "long-game", why is it building coal-fired power plants at a faster rate than anyone else? Why did the all wise central planners develop a one child policy? Why did it build cities that literally no one inhabits?
The unspoken Chinese mantra is "faster, cheaper, easier". The steal the tech and then beat you with shittier, cheaper, lowe quality products. There is nothing "long-game" in that line of thinking.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 12:01 pm to Penrod
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And without government subsidies, the EV market will collapse.
Not over there they skipped right ahead to mandates as the Biden admin was attempting to backdoor here with CAFE changes that were going to be unachievable with ICE engines by design.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 12:05 pm to tide06
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If you want to read about “imminent risk” look at what the CEOs for Toyota and other companies are saying after visiting Chinese car factories.
Economic threat is a far cry from military conquest.
With all the time I have spent in Asia (generally) and China (specifically) I would argue most Americans have a wildly outsized impression of China’s territorial ambitions. They want Taiwan, but a good chunk of that is face saving. The nine-dashed line issue is economic, and worth keeping an eye on. Beyond that, I’ve never heard any Chinese contacts express desire to conquer places militarily.
They want to never again be subject to what they refer to as the century of humiliation (pre-PRC).
Posted on 4/23/26 at 12:21 pm to LuckyTiger
Ought to work out well for them.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 12:28 pm to LuckyTiger
Pffftt...why post this BS kremlins propaganda channel?
Are you completely fool or payed russ shill?
What else to wait from russ propaganda channels?
Only lies and misinformation!
Fellow Americans, don't let yourself be fooled - please inform yourself about russ propaganda net from U.S. DEPARTMENT of STATE:
LINK
Are you completely fool or payed russ shill?
What else to wait from russ propaganda channels?
Only lies and misinformation!
Fellow Americans, don't let yourself be fooled - please inform yourself about russ propaganda net from U.S. DEPARTMENT of STATE:
LINK
This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 4/23/26 at 1:01 pm to Wildcat1996
They build local coal plants, then use the environmental leftist is foreign governments to build green energy for them. They know they will fail.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 1:07 pm to Ag Zwin
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Economic threat is a far cry from military conquest.
You mean soft power and corruption resulting in massive influence like they held in Panama, much of the Caribbean, Venezuela and the economic usury they have over non repayable loans in Africa?
They realized they don’t have to conquer militarily what they can conquer via economic influence.
Whether you can bankrupt a country or invade with tanks your proxy control results in pretty much the same outcome one is just more subtle.
The electric cars example will destroy any nascent domestic production that still exists in the EU zone and push them further down the path of pseudo client states which export raw goods and purchase finished goods while operating at a trade deficit.
The EU will embrace protectionism or Chinese cheap labor and investment in robotics will put what’s left of their remaining industrial capacity out of business.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 1:08 pm to eddieray
quote:I thought it was Russia that trump was in bed with?
Trump is China’s greatest asset
Panicans cannot make up their minds.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 1:31 pm to LuckyTiger
The Red Chinese like to say about the West, "There is not an old man among them "
#Thinkaboitit
We think in terms of weeks, months and years. They think in decades and centuries.
#Thinkaboitit
We think in terms of weeks, months and years. They think in decades and centuries.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 2:09 pm to tide06
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Not over there they skipped right ahead to mandates
Agreed. But that is not an economic advantage for them. On the contrary, it will cut into their productivity and give us an advantage.
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