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I support the government making lists of all eligible voters & voter ID… IF

Posted on 4/2/26 at 9:41 am
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
8146 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 9:41 am
…it comes with compulsory voting and automatic registration of eligible parties at age 18.

I didn’t know they had the capability to actually make a list of eligible voters, but if they can do that then they can do this.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 11:23 am
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 9:57 am to
Crickets?
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
8146 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:03 am to
No one wants to talk about this? If you want something like the save act to pass, this is how you get democrats on board.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37473 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:14 am to
Some people just don't vote, period. Or they take long breaks in between voting, or maybe move, etc. and don't update their registration.

If the above is all accompanied by a manual re-registration every few years (we have to do it with drivers' license, concealed carry permit, etc., so precedent is already established) then I'm fine with it.

Make it so.

If you're going to automatically register someone to vote, then it should be on a "use it or lose it" basis thereafter. Of course "losing it" would only be a temporary inconvenience, and re-registration is free, but we still need checks and balances.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
8146 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:14 am to
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This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 10:42 am
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
8146 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:17 am to
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Some people just don't vote, period. Or they take long breaks in between voting, or maybe move, etc. and don't update their registration. If the above is all accompanied by a manual re-registration every few years (we have to do it with drivers' license, concealed carry permit, etc., so precedent is already established) then I'm fine with it. Make it so.

100% let’s do it. And for the compulsory aspect just do it like Australia where you can still submit a blank ballot, just have to submit one in certain elections even if blank.

Also like Australia where the penalty is just a $20 fine until repeat offenses where it increases. They have 90% turnout.

General and mid-terms should include voting holidays.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 12:15 pm
Posted by DeBoar
Cullman, AL
Member since Jan 2024
374 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:17 am to
Most states automatically register to vote when getting their ID. I have no problem making lists as it seems like anytime someone does something stupid they run to see what party they’re registered to, regardless of actual voting information.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 10:18 am
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
8146 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:18 am to
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Most states automatically register to vote when getting their ID. I have no problem making lists as it seems like anytime someone does something stupid they run to see what party they’re registered to, regardless of actual voting information.

Register everyone as unaffiliated until/unless they manually elect party affiliation.
Posted by DeBoar
Cullman, AL
Member since Jan 2024
374 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:20 am to
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Register everyone as unaffiliated until/unless they manually elect party affiliation.


This is pretty much how it is and selected during primaries for which party ballot you select. Again not all states are two party primaries but using this as an example.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 10:21 am
Posted by Ailsa
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:21 am to
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Wrong.

The Elections Clause gives states the initial role to set time, place and manner, but expressly authorizes Congress to enact nationwide rules for federal elections (House and Senate races), including voter registration, list maintenance, fraud prevention, and ballot procedures.

The Supreme Court has interpreted “manner” broadly to include “notices, registration, supervision of voting, protection of voters, prevention of fraud and corrupt practices,” etc.

The Help America Vote Act imposes mandatory minimum federal standards on states (e.g., statewide computerized voter registration lists, provisional ballots, and election administration improvements) and provides federal grants (“requirements payments”) explicitly conditioned on compliance. States must submit plans showing how they meet these standards to receive funding.

The National Voter Registration was also enacted under the Elections Clause. It mandates that states maintain accurate voter rolls (“list maintenance”), offer registration at certain agencies, and accept a federal mail-registration form. Courts have upheld NVRA provisions as valid under the Elections Clause precisely because they target voter eligibility verification and roll accuracy.

Trump’s EO explicitly cites both HAVA and NVRA as authority. It does not create new substantive rules from scratch; it directs federal agencies to implement and enhance existing federal statutory requirements using federal databases (SSA records, DHS’s SAVE program).

Moreover, Congress’s power under Article I, Section 8 to tax and spend for the general welfare includes the ability to attach conditions to federal grants to states. This is classic conditional spending, upheld in South Dakota v. Dole (1987): conditions must be unambiguous, related to the federal interest (here, integrity of federal elections), and not coercive.

- HAVA already does exactly this—grants are withheld or conditioned on states meeting federal election-administration standards.

- The EO (Section 5) authorizes withholding “federal funds from noncompliant states/localities where authorized by law.” This is not a new commandeering of state legislatures; states can decline the funds (and the attached conditions) if they wish. Precedent confirms Congress (and the executive administering congressional appropriations) can use the purse to encourage compliance without directly dictating state election codes.

Finally, Trump’s EO’s core mechanisms operate through federal entities like the post office, not state legislatures:

- USPS rulemaking directs the Postmaster General to require barcoded, trackable “Official Election Mail” envelopes and to transmit ballots only to voters on the federal/state-verified Mail-In/Absentee Participation Lists. USPS is a federal agency; the President may direct its operations via executive order. States are not forced to change their own mailing processes—they simply cannot use federal postal service for non-compliant ballots if they want the service.

This avoids the anti-commandeering doctrine (Printz v. United States, 1997), which prohibits the federal government from forcing state officials to enforce federal law. Here, the federal government is regulating its own property (mail) and funds.

Once Congress has acted (via HAVA/NVRA), federal requirements preempt conflicting state practices for federal elections.

The democrats are toast.


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Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
4831 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:23 am to
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 compulsory voting


Ummmm....
Posted by HurricaneTiger
Coral Gables, FL
Member since Jan 2014
3201 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:31 am to
I want less people voting, not more. So no
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
96120 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:33 am to
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One last shameless bump attempt here. Guess I’ll try another day.


It’s a silly premise is why it’s not gaining any traction. Dems don’t want it because we’ll know who is actually voting.

Padding voter rolls with illegals, triple votes etc isn’t something Dems want to lose.

So my question to Dems: Why are you against transparency?
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
8146 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:39 am to
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I want less people voting, not more.

Why? I’d understand if you said “I want more voter security”, but “less eligible voters voting” is literally an explicit argument for voter disenfranchisement lmao
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
8146 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:40 am to
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It’s a silly premise

What exactly is silly about it?
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
10298 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:43 am to
maybe I dont understand the OP but of course 'the government' has lists of eligible voters. Eligible voters are just citizens 18yrs and older who have a SSN and an ID. States and the fed have all this information.


Voter ID being required is a no brainer IMO (any apparently the vast majority of citizens across all races)
Posted by HurricaneTiger
Coral Gables, FL
Member since Jan 2014
3201 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:44 am to
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Why? I’d understand if you said “I want more voter security”, but “less eligible voters voting” is literally an explicit argument for voter disenfranchisement lmao


I’m very knowledgeable of the issues, and understand the second and third order effects of what will happen from policies.

My vote is equal to the homeless man. Think about that. If a homeless man who provides absolutely nothing to our civilization has as much say in the trajectory as a service member, how can that not lead to bad decisions.

There is a reason our politics is a popularity contest, and it’s not because we don’t have enough people voting.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
8146 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:49 am to
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My vote is equal to the homeless man. Think about that. If a homeless man who provides absolutely nothing to our civilization has as much say in the trajectory as a service member, how can that not lead to bad decisions.

So you hate the bill of rights and constitution & would prefer to trample the fundamental foundation of one of the pillars of this country because it suits your partisan political leaning?

That’s what I always thought this whole save act business was about, but thanks for confirming it.

Also… Homeless people don’t make up a majority of Americans, so I don’t see the problem with high turnout here.

Also… since your hyperbolic example was “homeless vs veteran”, just wanted to remind you that homeless vets aren’t uncommon at all.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 10:52 am
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17002 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:52 am to
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…it comes with compulsory voting and automatic registration of eligible parties at age 18.


Would much prefer eligible voters to be required to pass a civics class before being allowed to vote.

Way to many stupid people voting.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
5583 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:53 am to
When you vote, ypu could recieve a tax write of of a certain amount.

Xtra incentive to get voters to polls
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