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Are we passing on the exact pitch we need to swing at?
Posted on 3/9/26 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 3/9/26 at 4:28 pm
Are we passing on the exact pitch we need to swing at? I know and understand the philosophy of taking pitchers as deep as possible for pitch count and to see what should be a better pitch to hit. But this weekend really highlighted for me that 2 or 3 of the first pitches thrown to our batters were sometimes right down the middle at 84-87mph. We almost always looked to be in a "take" position/situation/stance. Have teams learned to take that gamble with us? That we are so vested in this philosphy we rarely walk up a full go at bat?
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Posted on 3/9/26 at 4:33 pm to OleBallCoach
I don't think the plan is to ever take pitches down the middle early in counts or to swing at a pitcher's pitch early in counts. It seems that we are doing both of those, which makes the hitting issues even worse. If we were just hitting mistakes or taking marginal pitches, we'd still be fine. We're not hitting mistakes and we're chasing trash.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:05 pm to DRock88
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I don't think the plan is to ever take pitches down the middle early in counts or to swing at a pitcher's pitch early in counts.
Jay 100% said that the take was there best friend right now with the way that they are hitting and that they are taking early in counts to try to get pitch counts up.. i myself dont like that philosophy because as the OP said they watched idk how many 1st or 2nd pitch meatballs get thrown right down broadway the last 8 days and left the bat on their shoulder.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:18 pm to SwampBandit
There is a very legit reason to NOT take pitches in an at bat. I know analytics don’t tell the whole story all the time, but this is pretty hard to argue with.
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Jay is saying that because they're terrible at swinging right now. They're not barreling balls up, lots of lazy pop flies, swinging over the top consistently, and when you finally do barrel a ball up, it goes straight to someone's glove making them even more pissed off pressing even worse.
He's without actually explicitly saying it right now this lineup is not very good and he knows it. The drop off on hitting happens in SEC play when averages tank. LSU's averages are tanking against junk ball pitchers.
The take is their best friend because they're struggling. That's what he means. It's that simple. Make the pitcher consistently put it over the plate. Sac State pitchers had great control over their pitches and painted the strike zone. Nothing they threw was great or overwhelming, they just could consistently put it over the strike zone against bad hitters.
He's without actually explicitly saying it right now this lineup is not very good and he knows it. The drop off on hitting happens in SEC play when averages tank. LSU's averages are tanking against junk ball pitchers.
The take is their best friend because they're struggling. That's what he means. It's that simple. Make the pitcher consistently put it over the plate. Sac State pitchers had great control over their pitches and painted the strike zone. Nothing they threw was great or overwhelming, they just could consistently put it over the strike zone against bad hitters.
This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:34 pm to Fratigerguy
Those stats are from 2019. The pitching quality in CBB has changed tremendously since then due to the shortened draft. Pitchers are no longer grooving fastballs down the pipe until they get ahead in the count
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:38 pm to friendlyobservation
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Jay is saying that because they're terrible at swinging right now.
Because instead of settling for a seeing eye single, they're looking to go yard. Sac State was just getting the bat out there and landing lazy line drives.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:15 pm to OleBallCoach
When ur struggling this bad it seems nothing looks hittable and when you do hit it hard it’s right atem. It’s to the point now they need to be “See Ball Hit Ball” it’s a game of percentages. Nothing but more at bats can fix this funk.
This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 3/9/26 at 9:36 pm to Fratigerguy
That chart suggest you should take early in the count as there is no real difference from 0-1, 1-0, and 1-1.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:23 am to OleBallCoach
To me, the 3-0 pitch where you know the next one is going to be right down the pipe... we need to be swinging at those. Can't tell you how many times we struck out because we watched a perfectly good pitch float by only to swing at the next 2 dirt balls.
Getting a runner on base does nothing for me if we can't drive them in.
Getting a runner on base does nothing for me if we can't drive them in.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 7:00 am to OleBallCoach
There are statistics that show the effectiveness from both sides. Jay has always liked getting into the opposing teams bullpen which is going to happen sooner when you eat up a pitchers pitch count. Now that the team is struggling you really don't want every player swinging at the 1st pitch because you'll have a situation where you have a quick inning and the pitcher having 10 pitches or less in consecutive innings.
I trust Jay will have the team clicking on all cylinders when it matters. Jay has always had very successful offensive production. He will figure out the lineup and what works best for this group of players. Curiel and Brown will be relied heavily on until the rest of the lineup can consistently produce.
I trust Jay will have the team clicking on all cylinders when it matters. Jay has always had very successful offensive production. He will figure out the lineup and what works best for this group of players. Curiel and Brown will be relied heavily on until the rest of the lineup can consistently produce.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 7:22 am to OleBallCoach
Teams have figured out to throw the first pitch right down the middle we are just gonna sit there and look at it
Posted on 3/10/26 at 8:08 am to OleBallCoach
I am not in the batters box but it seems like they watch some really good pitches go by a lot.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 8:51 am to OleBallCoach
I don’t think any of this is that complex or an actual problem. Are they taking some bad cuts right now? Yes they are. Are they laying off some beachballs? Yes they are. I don’t think it’s anything that they are overly concerned about honestly. I think more than anything else they are struggling with motivation.
If it truly is a hitting issue we will know very soon. If it’s confidence or mental the only way out of it is to hit your way out. Simplify things, don’t try to scheme your way out. See ball, hit ball goes along way to get a batter back right.
If it’s mechanics, it’s easy, change something.
If it truly is a hitting issue we will know very soon. If it’s confidence or mental the only way out of it is to hit your way out. Simplify things, don’t try to scheme your way out. See ball, hit ball goes along way to get a batter back right.
If it’s mechanics, it’s easy, change something.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 8:57 am to OleBallCoach
There seems to be an emphasis on taking pitches, walking and when all else fails: hitting it 105mph into the shift.
It might be the 85mph fastball… they can’t wait long enough to take it opposite field or up the middle.
It might be the 85mph fastball… they can’t wait long enough to take it opposite field or up the middle.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 8:59 am to OleBallCoach
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We almost always looked to be in a "take" position/situation/stance
I didn't get to watch much this weekend, but if so, this is a coaching problem. Not just the taking of pitches, but the "take" stance. I know Big Papi started walking to 1st on ball 4 all those years ago, but good baseball is taking every pitch with intent.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:27 am to OleBallCoach
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right down the middle at 84-87mph
Maybe the issue is the 84-87mph. Odd to think these paid athletes can't hit something in that range.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:40 am to OleBallCoach
So we ARE vested. Great news.
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