For those who claim tariffs are cost passed onto the consumer....

This is why there will never be any refunds despite all the lawsuits

FedEx filed a lawsuit yesterday asking for a refund on tariffs. They are just a carrier, so tariffs were overwhelmingly paid by the customers in their case. What right do they have to a refund?

Ha!!! Consumers will get screwed and prices will stay the same. Even after it was ruled illegal in 1st place to enforce the tariffs. $175 billion is what it cost consumers. We won’t win this.

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Cool. Then repay the consumers. This isn’t a gotcha. The government Keeping illegally seized funds is never acceptable.

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Our government must keep what it is owed to them by those other governments that have been ripping this government off for a very long time.

I pray POTUS Trump puts enough tariff pressure on these other governments to the point they contact people like you and say, "How much do we owe".

Hey, I voted for Trump, but these stupid little hissy fits he throws when he doesnt get his way piss me off.

These new tariffs are no different.

Two orders from overseas that I am expecting this week have now been returned back because, on a $220 order, UPS says I now owe them $110 for "Customs and Import Fees" and the other is almost the same as the package value itself.

And these orders were sent by family members BEFORE he imposed the new global tariffs.

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Where do you think the money ultimately comes from?

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Government printers

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For instance, if there is a new 25% tariff imposed, the manufacturer may eat 5% along with the company having it produced eating 5%.

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The problem that smooth brains can't factor is that nobody really "eats" anything. The tariffs either get paid by the consumer, or the employees who would otherwise get raises don't get them, or jobs that would otherwise be available don't exist, or the company becomes less profitable, which shows up in its stock value, etc., etc., etc.

There's no such thing as the tariff having no effect.

How much more in "taxes" did pay cause of tariffs?

What do you think your refund amount will be?

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FedEx

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What product do they produce?

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How much more in "taxes" did pay cause of tariffs?

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I already answered that.

I'll do it again, though, because YOU, Slow Dumb Vagina Tiger, certainly need to have ideas repeated many times before being able to grasp them.

The report I recently saw says they've cost some aspect of the market (companies, consumers, employees) around $800 billion extra since 2018.

Which is about 30% more cumulative money than all the money we've ever sent Israel since 1947, just for comparison's sake.

Here's another comparison point: DOGE's final policy goal was $150 billion that they thought the could cut from the budget in fraud and waste.

So, $800 billion is either a lot, or it's not.

It's either a negligible amount regardless of whether we spend it on Israel or take it out of circulation and let the government decide what to do with it, or it's a significant amount in both cases.

Which is it populists?

I really don't care which you pick, but I really don't want to hear that $800 billion is not a significant amount today, but someone here has to get a third job to pay all the taxes necessary to send foreign aid to Israel tomorrow (which, since 1947 in inflation adjusted dollars comes to around $600 billion, cumulative), or that we won't have to reform SS/Medicare/Medicaid if we just cut all the waste and fraud from the budget the week after that.

Let's get together and decide. A lot? Or not?