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Are Dems ahead of the curve on corporate taxes as UBI becomes necessary due to AI?

Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:13 am
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:13 am
Obviously, that isn’t what they’re aiming for right now. They want to tax and spend. But as AI replaces more jobs and UBI becomes something we actually need, taxing output is probably going to become norm whether people like it or not.

I’ve always leaned toward trickle-down economics and lower taxes to encourage hiring and growth. The problem is that going forward, that logic may not work the same way. If AI is replacing jobs no matter what corporate tax rates are, then cutting taxes won’t magically create more jobs. At that point, the only fair or realistic way to pay for UBI is by taxing output instead of workers.

I’d like to believe society will adjust as it did after the Industrial Revolution, when people had similar fears about jobs disappearing. New industries did show up eventually, but it took decades. The big difference now is speed. AI can move and scale way faster than anything before it. That means the disruption hits quickly, while society takes time to catch up. That’s why people like Elon keep saying UBI isn’t some wild idea anymore. It’s probably necessary.

That said, as productivity increases, goods should get cheaper, just like they did in the past. Lower prices will reduce how much UBI people need, but no one really knows by how much. Cheaper goods help, but they don’t fully fix the problem when fewer people are earning income in the first place.

This isn’t really about ideology and should be a bipartisan concern. If income from jobs shrinks and output keeps growing, the way we collect taxes is going to have to change too

It's also another reason we need to stop all immigration, legal or illegal, and reduce all foreign aid, as we will be forced to find ways to fund our own citizens.

Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:26 am to
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and UBI becomes something we actually need,


Stopped reading right there. LOL.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:30 am to
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Stopped reading right there. LOL.



You really don’t see how UBI could become necessary when AI can take jobs way faster than society can create new ones?

Look at what happened right after the Industrial Revolution. A lot of people lost work, conditions were awful, and it took decades before things evened out. And that was with machines that took years to build and roll out.

AI is nothing like that. It doesn’t need factories or new equipment. It updates instantly and scales everywhere at once. Jobs can disappear almost overnight while society struggles to create new jobs to replace those that are lost.
Posted by RemouladeSawce
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:32 am to
The more direct lever is just to ban corporate use of AI. The platform of any government that gets elected by enough people interested in getting the UBI ball rolling, is 100% going to include axing AI as well

Do that and ban outsourcing outright and the nation's existential job concerns improve drastically

(I don't like either notion, but we're soon going to be in a new world that warrants such measures. The GOP would be wise to accept it)

UBI isn't supposed to replace income to begin with. It's a de facto tax cut / credit that everything else constant will lead to some quantum of inflation (and far worse fiscal health in the absence of restructuring tax income). And in a free market, producers / suppliers of goods and services are still going to capture that purchasing power, whatever it ends up being
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 9:42 am
Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:34 am to
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You really don’t see how UBI could become necessary when AI can take jobs way faster than society can create new ones? Look at what happened right after the Industrial Revolution. A lot of people lost work, conditions were awful, and it took decades before things evened out. And that was with machines that took years to build and roll out. AI is nothing like that. It doesn’t need factories or new equipment. It updates instantly and scales everywhere at once. Jobs can disappear almost overnight while society struggles to create new jobs to replace those that are lost.


If even a small part of this is true then our nation’s number one priority needs to be expelling the 25 million plus illegal aliens who are camping here. Seriously.
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 10:11 am
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:35 am to
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and UBI becomes something we actually need,


Stopped reading right there. LOL.


I don't love the concept of UBI for all the usual reasons. But at this point with the escalation of AI happening so rapidly, we need to explore all outcomes and potential remedies for the workforce that it will displace thoroughly; even ones that we have a considerable bias against.

Everything is a tradeoff, my significant concern with something like UBI is; what will people actively to generate value to society while receiving UBI? If that is a solution that end up being chased, it can't become just another form of welfare.

Posted by RelicBatches86
Florida
Member since Nov 2024
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:36 am to
No, subsidized govt money to keep unemployment low like in China

We already do it with farmers

Tech wants more data centers only employ a few dozen people despite costing billions to build
Posted by Barneyrb
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:36 am to
Ok, let's say we start with a UBI (Universal Basic Income), what do we do with the food stamps, section 8 housing, utility assistance, medicaid, welfare, and all the other programs we already offer. Is UBI on top of this assistance or do we remove all these programs and just let them have money?


IMHO we already have a UBI system in place and need to remove people from what we have now. Way too many people are on gov assistance now.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:36 am to
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The more direct lever is just to ban corporate use of AI. The platform of any government that gets elected by enough people to get the UBI ball rolling is going to also include axing AI entirely


Do that, and we instantly lose to China

AI has a real chance to advance society well beyond anything we can currently comprehend. People are saying that if you are under 60 right now, you can expect to potentially live to 120 due to upcoming AI advancements we could never make as humans.

That is all speculative, but the concern becomes stagnate socierty in the name of protecting jobs or figuring out a way to tax the output and advance society. The latter calls for UBI as a necessity, but in the long run, society advances infinitely in due time.

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:37 am to
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AI is nothing like that. It doesn’t need factories or new equipment. It updates instantly and scales everywhere at once. Jobs can disappear almost overnight while society struggles to create new jobs to replace those that are lost.

I don't think people appreciate the speed and scale at which this could happen. Most people have a very limited understanding of the world as it currently is (well literally everyone does, myself included of course)

We can only speculate about what is around the corner. It would not be surprising at all to see what we would normally think of as decades of progress in the next 5 years.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:39 am to
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Everything is a tradeoff, my significant concern with something like UBI is; what will people actively to generate value to society while receiving UBI? If that is a solution that end up being chased, it can't become just another form of welfare.




Elon says that ultimately, money won't even matter because goods will basically be free. Again, it's all speculative, and no one knows at which point this will be a reality, if ever.

If that is true, though, then people will not need to create any value.

My concern at that point is what does it do mentally to an idle society when man is not meant to be idle, but that's a whole other topic.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
23568 posts
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:40 am to
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You really don’t see how UBI could become necessary when AI can take jobs way faster than society can create new ones?

I see that marxists have been aching to have UBI for many years before working AI was even a dream.

I know that they’d like to implement UBI before it’s proven to be necessary.

No thank you. I opt out.
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 9:41 am
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:40 am to
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Do that, and we instantly lose to China
I meant to caveat in my response that we can't turn off the AI spigot now or we lose our leadership entirely. That's completely right

But when the day comes that we need to consider pulling these levers, what will China look like? Robotics are going to destroy their manufacturing jobs, and their white collar jobs are going to be slaughtered every bit as much as ours. They may be thinking along similar lines
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People are saying that if you are under 60 right now, you can expect to potentially live to 120
60 more years of the Atlanta Falcons never winning a Super Bowl is worth AI investment
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stagnate socierty in the name of protecting jobs
We could go down this path for 20 pages, but are we sure we don't want to stagnate?
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 9:47 am
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:41 am to
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I know that they’d like to implement UBI before it’s proven to be necessary.



That has nothing to do with this topic, though.

This isn't a partisan issue and will soon be a real concern.
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
5344 posts
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:41 am to
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My concern at that point is what does it do mentally to an idle society when man is not meant to be idle, but that's a whole other topic.



I used to say that 1984 wasn't supposed to be a manual. I guess I'll have to start saying that Idiocracy wasn't supposed to be a manual as well.
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 9:42 am
Posted by theballguy
Un-PC for either side
Member since Oct 2011
35145 posts
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:42 am to
MAGA (not Trump but his biggest loon base) has now become full 1 hundo communists
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:42 am to
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Elon says that ultimately, money won't even matter because goods will basically be free.

It is possible that eventually we'll see massive price deflation across multiple industries
Posted by UcobiaA
The Gump
Member since Nov 2010
4208 posts
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:42 am to
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The more direct lever is just to ban corporate use of AI. The platform of any government that gets elected by enough people interested in getting the UBI ball rolling, is 100% going to include axing AI as well


You want to unilaterally disarm while China and other countries continue on with AI?
Posted by idlewatcher
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:43 am to
Who is going to be President of AI land? An AI bot or a human?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
172179 posts
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:43 am to
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My concern at that point is what does it do mentally to an idle society when man is not meant to be idle, but that's a whole other topic.

Experiments on mice have shown us that things likely won't work out well
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