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In defense of a double standard.

Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:51 pm
Posted by BrodyDad
Member since Dec 2025
149 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:51 pm
For many years, the gold standard of political debate has been accusations of hypocrisy or a double standard.

One side does something the other views as wrong and they yell and scream about it. Then the second side does the same thing and the first side yells and screams and accuses them of hypocrisy. The truth is both sides are constantly hypocritical.

I am ultra conservative. I view what is going on in this country as a battle of good vs. evil. With that in mind, I am in support of a double standard or hypocrisy.

In defense of the end goal, which is a good, moral and right nation, I support President Trump taking actions that I absolutely would be against were a progressive doing the same thing.

If a progressive president were dispatching federal law enforcement into sovereign, but conservative states, I would be speaking and fighting against it. Because their end goal is not mine. Therefore I view their action as wrong and unjust.

If a progressive president called for nationalizing elections (and they have). I would be against it strongly, because they would be doing it to keep their power. But I am in support of what President Trump says because he has my goals in mind.

Barry Goldwater said, “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” I agree with that and I am sure progressives do too. However we have different ideas about what "liberty" and "justice" mean.

Call me a hypocrite. Accuse me of having a double standard. I do not care. You are right. I want my side to win and I want the other side to be extinguished. I am for whatever it takes to have that happen, even things that I would not tolerate the other side doing when they are in power.
Posted by redneck hippie
Oklahoma
Member since Dec 2008
6324 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 2:00 pm to
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I support President Trump taking actions that I absolutely would be against were a progressive doing the same thing.


Once genies are out of bottles they tend to not go back inside. Every time a norm is broken or a rule gets bent on one side, the other side will just use it to their advantage when they regain power.

Google Harry Reid and nuclear option to see a real life example
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
17214 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 2:02 pm to
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Once genies are out of bottles they tend to not go back inside. Every time a norm is broken or a rule gets bent on one side, the other side will just use it to their advantage when they regain power.


True.

But if we keep waiting for the other side to do it first, we’re always going to be two steps behind.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
36490 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 2:27 pm to
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True.

But if we keep waiting for the other side to do it first, we’re always going to be two steps behind.

It has already become an endless cycle of reciprocity. It is not longer about the two different parties advancing basically a positive agenda but just in different ways, like they did some 30 years ago.

Now, it's just so polarized that you have this cyclical propensity of this perpetual tug-of-war pulling in opposite directions but still advancing in an overall negative direction every four years. Trump spent four years trying to reverse 8 years of damage that Obama did. Biden spent 4 years trying to erase anything Trump did. Trump is back, trying to erase what Biden did.

There's no progress. We're seeing perpetual political attrition. Let Trump's congress nuke the filibuster right now in exchange for a simple majority to pass the SAVE Act, and watch the Dims when they retake power. They'll repeal it. Then they'll add enough SCOTUS seats to override the "conservative majority" in adding six activists. They'll give DC and PR statehood and seats. They'd do everything they could to abolish the Electoral College. They'd unconstitionally redistrict everything under a SCOTUS that would favor it.

...and if conservatives somehow managed to wrest their power back and take charge again after that, they'd add 12 SCOTUS seats to retake the conservative majority, reverse everything they could, redistrict again, and the cycle continues. Pretty soon, after a few generations, the President and political parties are basically ineffectual, and everything is decided by hundreds of SCOTUS members. That's where we're headed.

The biggest problem here, is that i don't know how to stop any of this because, as said above, it really does look like "if we don't do it first, they're going to".

It's time to just balkanize. I think the overwhelming majority of us are done with the two-party system and the semantics, the polarization and the endless circle of negativity. They Democrat Party is garbage and the GOPe isn't any better. I grew up in the 80s and 90s when everyone was politically divided but still wanted what was actually best for America, just through different conduits. And everyone was proud to be American.

That's dead now, and I want to resuscitate it. We're on the cusp of collapse.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
17214 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 2:34 pm to
I think your assessment is spot on… and I also think that Balkanization is the only true answer. We’re just too damned big and far too diverse- there’s no common social cohesion.
Posted by BrodyDad
Member since Dec 2025
149 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 3:16 pm to
I understand all that, but this is shaping up to be the final battle. I don't mean that to be overly dramatic. But the goal should be for conservatives to take enough power now to guarantee the progressives never can gain access to that same power later.

Some things are too important to be left to be decided at the ballot box.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
36490 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 5:20 pm to
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We’re just too damned big and far too diverse- there’s no common social cohesion.

Yes ma'am. We once again find ourselves in agreement.

With the overwhelming diversity in America, there is no "one-size-fits-all" solution. But there are absolutely many regions that think and act similarly in their respective areas, and are diametrically opposed to certain ideologies in other respective regions. If that just becomes accepted fact among the majority, balkanization makes more sense.

I'm a white redneck descended from Irish Appalachian coal miners, originally from SoCal and now in the beating red heart of Conservative America. I can find common ground with an atheistic black Yankee, descended from southern slaves and born-and-raised in Manhattan, sure. But at the core, there are many regional culture differences that I would never want to force upon them and I'd hope for reciprocity from their perspective.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127075 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 5:27 pm to
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Once genies are out of bottles they tend to not go back inside.


Yeah. It’s really sad that Trump started all of this.
Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
2418 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 5:35 pm to
If a democrat does something logical and good for Americans then I will say good job and hope they continue to do some good because I am for what is best for us. Now with that being said, they do not on the regular. But at the end of the day I am going to protest with my vote and trying to get others to vote with me.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
4868 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 5:42 pm to
If a politicial party had unleashed 12-15 million illegal aliens illegally into America, while paying them all benefits illegally, for the purpose to game elections, I’d 100% support the opposing party doing everything within its legal means to reverse that action.

The Left is not telling people to protest the cleanup operation. They are blatantly telling them to obstruct and impede lawful actions of cleanup. That’s a crime too.

So because of bad media optics Republicans are suppose to ignore the illegal invasion of a sovereign Nation?
Posted by BrodyDad
Member since Dec 2025
149 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 5:42 pm to
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If a democrat does something logical and good for Americans then I will say good job and hope they continue to do some good because I am for what is best for us. Now with that being said, they do not on the regular. But at the end of the day I am going to protest with my vote and trying to get others to vote with me.


I wish I could say the same, but if a Dem does something I would otherwise agree with, I am against it, because I do not trust their motives or endgame.

This is a zero sum proposition. I do not want any Dem to have power, even if they occasionally do something I would normally agree with. Trump is a means to an end. He is there to do the dirty work so that we change the system enough that we never have to worry about progressive woke thought ever again in this country.
Posted by BrodyDad
Member since Dec 2025
149 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 5:44 pm to
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So because of bad media optics Republicans are suppose to ignore the illegal invasion of a sovereign Nation?


Where in the world did you get the idea from my post that I was saying to ignore the illegal invasion?
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
4868 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 5:47 pm to
Dispatch of Federal Law Enforcement. I don’t care if they have to strong arm idiot law breakers. Clean it up any way possible
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
47733 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 5:52 pm to
When the America-hating race-baiting community AGITATOR known as Barack Hussein Obama wasPresident, a ton of people (I remember Woody Allen was one) were bemoaning thr fact that their boy Barry wasn't a dictator. They wanted him to have the unfettered ability to do whatever he wanted to do.

That would've been a nightmare. Conversely, Trump's actions would put this country back pn the right track.

Huge difference.
Posted by BrodyDad
Member since Dec 2025
149 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 5:58 pm to
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Dispatch of Federal Law Enforcement. I don’t care if they have to strong arm idiot law breakers. Clean it up any way possible


I agree with you completely. My point was that if a progressive dem president sent in the feds to deal with a problem he didn't care for in a conservative led state, I would loudly and actively oppose it and question whether he has the power......it is a double standard and I am ok with that.
Posted by BrodyDad
Member since Dec 2025
149 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 6:01 pm to
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When the America-hating race-baiting community AGITATOR known as Barack Hussein Obama wasPresident, a ton of people (I remember Woody Allen was one) were bemoaning thr fact that their boy Barry wasn't a dictator. They wanted him to have the unfettered ability to do whatever he wanted to do.

That would've been a nightmare. Conversely, Trump's actions would put this country back pn the right track.

Huge difference.


Exactly. I want that power for a true God-fearing and Bible believing conservative President. But I would object to a Dem like Obama having the same power. This is a double standard. Im just saying it out loud and not shying away from it.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 6:02 pm
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6861 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 6:02 pm to
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You are right. I want my side to win and I want the other side to be extinguished. I am for whatever it takes to have that happen, even things that I would not tolerate the other side doing when they are in power.

Or more to the point you accept that the other side will do things that you don't like, hence you believe your side should meet fire with fire.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10130 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 6:02 pm to
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With the overwhelming diversity in America, there is no "one-size-fits-all" solution.


Yes, there is …. it’s called assimilation…
Posted by BrodyDad
Member since Dec 2025
149 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 6:03 pm to
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Yes, there is …. it’s called assimilation…


Exactly. The nail that sticks out of the board needs to be hammered down.
Posted by BrodyDad
Member since Dec 2025
149 posts
Posted on 2/8/26 at 6:05 pm to
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Or more to the point you accept that the other side will do things that you don't like, hence you believe your side should meet fire with fire


I dont think they should have the chance to show that they would. Their power needs to be extinguished. They can live their lives and gripe to themselves without any ability to ruin it for the rest of us.
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