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NATO Chief Rutte: "Europe cant defend itself without the USA"
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:21 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:21 am
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:22 am to Oreo4689
History says otherwise
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:22 am to Oreo4689
If that's true, that's on them. They've had 60 years to develop their militaries.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:22 am to Wtodd
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History says otherwise
Say what?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:24 am to Oreo4689
About the smartest person in all of Europe.
Europe would be screwed.
Europe would be screwed.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:25 am to Oreo4689
Has been that way for quite a while, now
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:25 am to SallysHuman
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Say what?
When did Europe ever defend itself without our help?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:25 am to Wtodd
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History says otherwise
we are the TWO-TIME, BACK-TO-BACK world war champions. we were the ones that slapped our dicks in the faces of Europe's oppressors when Europe couldn't do shite to defend itself.
don't get it mistaken.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:27 am to Wtodd
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When did Europe ever defend itself without our help?
I think we're talking past each other... it might be my bad, I read the OP but failed to listen to the clip.
At any rate, I agree... Europe needs us far more than we need them.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:28 am to Wtodd
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History says otherwise
OK, OK I misread it
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:28 am to Oreo4689
No shite sherlock......
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:30 am to Wtodd
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History says otherwise
I mean… I guess Charles martel could be your one true example…. But 12-1300 years later and the hammer is turning over in his grave.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:31 am to finchmeister08
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we were the ones that slapped our dicks in the faces of Europe's oppressors when Europe couldn't do shite to defend itself.
Meh comparable we did about 10% and the Russian road grader/meat grinder did 90%. The forces they committed on JUST the drive on Berlin were larger than the entire German force used in Barbarossa. The Russians were stacked in the infantry, artillery, armor category and not a terrible air support arm. We would have been hard pressed to beat them in a conventional war. Luckily we had the bomb.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:31 am to finchmeister08
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we are the TWO-TIME, BACK-TO-BACK world war champions. we were the ones that slapped our dicks in the faces of Europe's oppressors when Europe couldn't do shite to defend itself.
This is something Americans get completely wrong. We played a very important role in winning the war. To pretend that we could have done it without the soviets is a delusional idea at best.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:32 am to Wtodd
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History says otherwise
Russia can’t even take on a corrupt backwater in Ukraine. The only real reason Europe wants to keep the US in NATO is so they can spend their money on entitlements instead of their armies.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:32 am to Strannix
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Meh comparable we did about 10% and the Russian road grader/meat grinder did 90%. The forces they committed on JUST the drive on Berlin were larger than the entire German force used in Barbarossa. The Russians were stacked in the infantry, artillery, armor category and not a terrible air support arm. We would have been hard pressed to beat them in a conventional war. Luckily we had the bomb.
Take away lend lease in the early war and Russia collapses.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:32 am to Powerman
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To pretend that we could have done it without the soviets is a delusional idea at best.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:32 am to Oreo4689
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Europe cant defend itself without the USA
Defend against who?
The Russians need EU intact to buy its LNG, plus the EU has a nuclear deterrent.
The invaders are already encamped in Western Europe.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:33 am to Twix 23
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Russia can’t even take on a corrupt backwater in Ukraine.
With the help of the United States.
You do realize that correct?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 11:33 am to Oreo4689
No shite!?
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