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Better story: Cignetti or Orgeron?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:47 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:47 am
One coach who betted on himself and left a dynasty program and coach to head up a tiny school in a lower division. All he did was win, even when he took a better job at an after thought school. Again: all he did was win.
Finally he gets an opportunity to coach at the highest level of CFB, a P4 school. Prestigious right? It's the worst team in history.
Doesn't matter. They wanted him when nobody else did. They saw in him what he believed in himself: he was a winner.
He won.
The other?
Nobody would ever claim that all he did was win. In fact, it was the opposite. When he was given his first chance at leading a program, all he did was lose. He became the worst coach in the history of the conference.
A joke. Ridiculed by all. Complete and utter failure.
Most people would have given up after a failure such as that.
Instead of giving up, he used it. He studied the failure. What did he do wrong? why didn't this work? What should he change?
To fail so spectacularly, and to not give up, but persevere and improve? That's an ability most think they have, but few possess.
And when finally given the chance, he proved to everyone that he wasn't defined by failure, all while people were ridiculing him and laughing in his face.
While I love the underdog story of proving to everyone that you deserve to be there, I prefer the story of picking yourself up off the matt and finding a way to keep moving forward more.
Finally he gets an opportunity to coach at the highest level of CFB, a P4 school. Prestigious right? It's the worst team in history.
Doesn't matter. They wanted him when nobody else did. They saw in him what he believed in himself: he was a winner.
He won.
The other?
Nobody would ever claim that all he did was win. In fact, it was the opposite. When he was given his first chance at leading a program, all he did was lose. He became the worst coach in the history of the conference.
A joke. Ridiculed by all. Complete and utter failure.
Most people would have given up after a failure such as that.
Instead of giving up, he used it. He studied the failure. What did he do wrong? why didn't this work? What should he change?
To fail so spectacularly, and to not give up, but persevere and improve? That's an ability most think they have, but few possess.
And when finally given the chance, he proved to everyone that he wasn't defined by failure, all while people were ridiculing him and laughing in his face.
While I love the underdog story of proving to everyone that you deserve to be there, I prefer the story of picking yourself up off the matt and finding a way to keep moving forward more.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 6:49 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:50 am to magildachunks
Consensus on the MSB now is that CIgnetti is the GOAT
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:52 am to bad93ex
quote:
Consensus on the MSB now is that CIgnetti is the GOAT
He may be
Has nothing to do with my question.
Saban is the GOAT. His story isn't though.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:02 am to magildachunks
This can’t be a serious question.
Cignetti just led the worst P5 program in history to one of the greatest seasons in modern CFB history.
Orgeron basically fell arse backwards into a generational team and was fired a couple years later and now can’t find a job.
Cignetti just led the worst P5 program in history to one of the greatest seasons in modern CFB history.
Orgeron basically fell arse backwards into a generational team and was fired a couple years later and now can’t find a job.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:10 am to msutiger
quote:
This can’t be a serious question.
It is
quote:
Cignetti just led the worst P5 program in history to one of the greatest seasons in modern CFB history.
He's a great coach. No one's denying that.
The season is up for debate. 2019 LSU had a better season. The gauntlet they ran dwarfs the schedule Indiana played this year.
quote:
Orgeron basically fell arse backwards into a generational team
Everybody loves to make this claim, as if he had no hand in building that team.
And then y'all only mention the years after that 2019 season and team, but fail to mention the years leading up to 2019 when he was building that team. It wasn't built over one off season, it took years for him to create it. Successful years at that.
He recruited those players. He built that coaching staff. He identified the weaknesses and took the necessary steps to correct them.
It's time you Rantards started giving the man his dues
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:16 am to magildachunks
Read my post again. I said one of. That isn’t really up for debate.
If Orgeron was a coaching mastermind he would be coaching somewhere right now. Everyone knows he isn’t. Nobody can ever take the national championship away from him. He is a national champion head coach and always will be. Good for him. I don’t dislike the guy, I’m just pointing out the truth. To even put him in the same paragraph as Cignetti is laughable.
If Orgeron was a coaching mastermind he would be coaching somewhere right now. Everyone knows he isn’t. Nobody can ever take the national championship away from him. He is a national champion head coach and always will be. Good for him. I don’t dislike the guy, I’m just pointing out the truth. To even put him in the same paragraph as Cignetti is laughable.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:17 am to msutiger
quote:
Orgeron was a coaching mastermind he would be coaching somewhere right now.
Has nothing to do with my question.
I'm talking about the story, not the ability
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:17 am to magildachunks
I think the Cignetti story is a better one, but we really need to see where it ends to know for sure.
If Orgeron's story of a phoenix rising from the ashes had not ended with him crashing and burning again, then that would have been a better story. But since it did, that has to be factored in.
If, when Cignetti leaves, Indiana is still at least competitive, his tenure will have been a success even without the natty. Orgeron's tenure ended with LSU having the worst season in over two decades in back-to-back seasons.
For now, Cignetti's tale is a feel-good story. Orgeron's was both a feel-good story and a cautionary tale all in one.
If Orgeron's story of a phoenix rising from the ashes had not ended with him crashing and burning again, then that would have been a better story. But since it did, that has to be factored in.
If, when Cignetti leaves, Indiana is still at least competitive, his tenure will have been a success even without the natty. Orgeron's tenure ended with LSU having the worst season in over two decades in back-to-back seasons.
For now, Cignetti's tale is a feel-good story. Orgeron's was both a feel-good story and a cautionary tale all in one.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:20 am to magildachunks
Both have compelling, improbable stories.
Cignetti's is straight out of Hoosiers, Rudy, Rocky, Miracle, etc...
The other is basically Farmer Fran fields the Greatest Team of All-Time, a mix of Waterboy with Major League, A League of Their Own, and The Twilight Zone.
Orgeron's is more improbable & unprecedented.
Cignetti's is straight out of Hoosiers, Rudy, Rocky, Miracle, etc...
The other is basically Farmer Fran fields the Greatest Team of All-Time, a mix of Waterboy with Major League, A League of Their Own, and The Twilight Zone.
Orgeron's is more improbable & unprecedented.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 7:23 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:33 am to magildachunks
imo orgeron is the better story, especially since he did it at a place he once went to and left. better redemption arc imo
obviously Cignetti is the better coach imo
Orgeron is a guy who's flame can burn really bright if he is surrounded by the right people, but can crash the frick out easily too, as we saw if everything in his life isnt lined up perfect.
obviously Cignetti is the better coach imo
Orgeron is a guy who's flame can burn really bright if he is surrounded by the right people, but can crash the frick out easily too, as we saw if everything in his life isnt lined up perfect.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:49 am to magildachunks
quote:Fact. Ed, Cig, both great stories but stories don't compare to sustained greatness. Saban will be the man until he isn't. However, I don't see that changing with NIL.
Saban is the GOAT.
The smartest thing Ed did was shut up and let Joe and Joe do their thing on offense.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:10 am to magildachunks
Cignetti definitely more doubters & greater odds stacked against him, he also has the "different thinker" angle with his 1 hr. practices. I think with time the story could change though if the age advantage is really as big as people make it out to be.
Ed O is tough to beat because he is just the living embodiment of a Baw. It's the most LSU coach ever leading LSU to the best season ever. Idk if even Cignetti's story can top that (especially not on an LSU board!)
Ed O is tough to beat because he is just the living embodiment of a Baw. It's the most LSU coach ever leading LSU to the best season ever. Idk if even Cignetti's story can top that (especially not on an LSU board!)
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 8:11 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:14 am to magildachunks
Cignetti. Indiana is historically one of the worst major college football programs. Their overall winning percentage is worse than Vanderbilt's or Mississippi State's.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:16 am to msutiger
quote:
Orgeron basically fell arse backwards into a generational team and was fired a couple years later and now can’t find a job.
Might as well throw Chizik in this comparison, his story is pretty similar.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:19 am to nes2010
I don't think O was seen as that much of a failure. There were a lot of people who thought he should have gotten the permanent USC job after his interim stint.
He's more like Kevin Ollie without the bar fighting background.
He's more like Kevin Ollie without the bar fighting background.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:20 am to magildachunks
The better “story” is Coach O. We’ve already seen the movie, Hoosiers , which is what Cignetti accomplished. Bringing the underdog, little ole Indiana to a championship — that story has been done before.
Coach O, a Louisiana native, that wasn’t able to play for LSU, was a failed head coach. He gets a second chance and assembles the best team ever, has a Heisman winning QB, hoists the NC trophy in New Orleans of all places … you can’t make it up.
Coach O, a Louisiana native, that wasn’t able to play for LSU, was a failed head coach. He gets a second chance and assembles the best team ever, has a Heisman winning QB, hoists the NC trophy in New Orleans of all places … you can’t make it up.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:25 am to magildachunks
Cignetti and Orgeron aren't even on the same planet as far as coaching/class
The Cignetti story is much better, Orgeron fell arse backwards into the job and flamed out just as quickly. Now if Cignetti is fired in the next 3 years I will come back and edit my post
The Cignetti story is much better, Orgeron fell arse backwards into the job and flamed out just as quickly. Now if Cignetti is fired in the next 3 years I will come back and edit my post
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:29 am to magildachunks
Cignetti. He's actually good.
O just lucked into an elite quarterback who's currently making Zac Taylor look competent. The Cajun Chizik.
O just lucked into an elite quarterback who's currently making Zac Taylor look competent. The Cajun Chizik.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:33 am to magildachunks
Comedy? Orgeron
Actual story? Cignetti
Actual story? Cignetti
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:48 am to magildachunks
So reading your responses, you just want everyone to say Orgeron, but the answer is Cignetti and it ain't close
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