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Author of LAFD Palisades fire report declined to endorse final version, called it ‘highly
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:32 am
File this under no shite.
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LAFD Battalion Chief Kenneth Cook, who wrote the after-action report on the Palisades fire, declined to endorse the final version.
In an email, Cook wrote that “the current version appears highly unprofessional and inconsistent with our established standards.”
Cook’s email adds to growing evidence that city and LAFD officials attempted to burnish the LAFD’s image in a report that should have been an honest assessment of the department’s failings in preparing for and fighting the fire.
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“Having reviewed the revised version submitted by your office, I must respectfully decline to endorse it in its current form,” Cook wrote in the email obtained by The Times. “The document has undergone substantial modifications and contains significant deletions of information that, in some instances, alter the conclusions originally presented.”
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He continued, “While I fully understand the need to address potential liability concerns and to modify certain sections in consultation with the City Attorney to mitigate litigation risks, the current version appears highly unprofessional and inconsistent with our established standards. I strongly urge you to reconsider publishing the report as it stands.”
In the email, Cook also raised concerns that the LAFD’s final report would be at odds with a report on the January wildfires commissioned by Gov. Gavin Newsom’s office, which has yet to be released.
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Cook — who emails show provided a final draft of the after-action report to Villanueva in August — has declined to comment. Attempts to reach Villanueva were unsuccessful.
The LAFD has refused to answer questions from The Times about the deletions and revisions. Mayor Karen Bass’ office said the LAFD wrote and edited the report, and that the mayor did not demand changes.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:37 am to Jbird
Politicians covering their asses.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:38 am to PsychTiger
Replying to @AGHamilton29 and @EricMertz_KC
“The lawyers said we’ll get sued if we tell the truth”
Replying to @AGHamilton29
The steady accumulation of moments like this is driving a massive erosion of trust in our institutions.
“The lawyers said we’ll get sued if we tell the truth”
Replying to @AGHamilton29
The steady accumulation of moments like this is driving a massive erosion of trust in our institutions.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:47 am to PsychTiger
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Politicians covering their asses.
This goes more towards fire department leadership trying to save their asses.
ETA: The bulk of which is going to go back to the failure to monitor the original Lachman Fire on New Year's Eve/Day.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 11:32 am
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:48 am to LegendInMyMind
Replying to @AGHamilton29
Basically, everything is rigged at this point to control the narrative and keep the American people in the dark.
Not a person will pay for this bullshite.
Basically, everything is rigged at this point to control the narrative and keep the American people in the dark.
Not a person will pay for this bullshite.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:49 am to Jbird
I saw videos of citizens fighting off fires from atop their own homes with water hoses. Yeah…I am sure the report was completely honest though.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:52 am to Jbird
Shocking. How long can this corruption at all levels of government be purged? Its unending.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:54 am to jizzle6609
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Who’s the author?
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LAFD Battalion Chief Kenneth Cook, who wrote the after-action report on the Palisades fire, declined to endorse the final version.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:55 am to Jbird
It is California. What do you expect? Gavin is basically the front runner for President & they can't have anything negative about him in it. Never mind that he is one of the root causes of why there was no water to fight the fires with. Mayor Karen Bass was in Ghana when it happened so they can't point that out. It will be all lies.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:58 am to Jbird
I guess I’m not following where Villanueva comes in and what about the chief at the time Crowley?
I guess I’m confused as to their hierarchy
Nm, battalion chief.
Following now.
I guess I’m confused as to their hierarchy
Nm, battalion chief.
Following now.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 10:59 am
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:02 am to jizzle6609
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I guess I’m confused as to their hierarchy
Yeah not sure when.
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Battalion Chief Kenneth Cook emailed then-interim Fire Chief Ronnie Villanueva and other LAFD officials with the subject line “Palisades AARR Non-Endorsement,” about an hour after the highly anticipated report was made public Oct. 8.
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One edit to the after-action report involved language stating that the decision to not fully staff up and pre-deploy all available crews and engines ahead of the extreme wind forecast “did not align” with the department’s policy and procedures during red flag days.
The final report did not include that language, saying instead that the number of engine companies rolled out ahead of the fire “went above and beyond the standard LAFD pre-deployment matrix.”
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:04 am to jizzle6609
I am guessing the interim was named to cover the tracks of corrupt and inept people involved.
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Prior to being appointed Interim Fire Chief on February 21, 2025,
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According to the City Charter, the mayor has the authority to remove most department heads without City Council approval. However, Crowley has the right to appeal her removal within 10 calendar days.
“The council may reinstate the chief administrative officer by a two-thirds vote of the council,” the city charter says. “Failure of the council to reinstate the chief administrative officer during this time period shall constitute a denial of the appeal.”
Councilmember Monica Rodriguez, who represents District 7, issued a statement shortly after Bass’s announcement encouraging Crowley to appeal. She also said she will use her authority as a councilmember to “set the record straight,” signaling her support for Crowley’s reinstatement.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:12 am to jizzle6609
This is what I wrote in the original OT thread about the fires on January 13, 2025:
Here's a link to the original post that contains a Google Maps screenshot of where I thought the two fires started:
LINK
Since then, we have had an arrest for arson centering around the first fire on early New Year's Day (the Lachman Fire) and fireworks, and we have now seen a concentrated effort to minimize the role that the failure to monitor the Lachman Fire played.
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Looking further into the previous fire in the area the Palisades Fire started.
That was the first new fire in LA County of the new year. It was first reported at around 2:45 AM on New Year's Day. Its start location is very, very close to that of the Palisades Fire. It burned under 15-20mph winds, had some ember cast, and received a quick response with plenty of resources. It burned eight acres in total, and did briefly threaten homes along a road immediately adjacent to what I believe were the first homes impacted by the Palisades fire six days later. It was dubbed the Lachman Fire, and no homes were damaged by it. By 6:00 AM forward progress on the fire had been stopped, and it was no longer actively burning.
I haven't seen an official statement on the cause of the Lachman Fire, but being that it occured on New Year's Eve/Day, fireworks are the most likely culprit, particularly given the location near several neighborhoods. Given this info, I believe that a holdover rekindling of the Lachman Fire is the most likely cause of the Palisades Fire start six days later.
All of that said, if people want a real, legitimate piece of policy to go after in regards to the Palisades Fire the fact that the LAFD doesn't appear to have a policy of keeping close mandatory watch on fires that have recently been extinguished is a good area to focus on. I don't know for certain, but it seems that no one followed up on that fire, and it wasn't department policy to do so.
Failing to keep tabs on previously burned areas, particularly in the face of a well-forecast Santa Ana Wind event and a looming extremely critical fire weather day is a big, big problem. It is an even bigger issue when you understand how close the original Lachman Fire was to heavily populated areas.
The original fire, thankfully, wasn't a huge threat to those neighborhoods. The winds were manageable, humidity was decent, and the response was more than sufficient. The factors that changed everything with the following Palisades Fire were the extremely high winds and rock bottom humidity. However, it very likely wouldn't have mattered if the original fire had been checked and any remaining embers or hotspots were doused in the days leading up to the heightened fire threat.
Here's a link to the original post that contains a Google Maps screenshot of where I thought the two fires started:
LINK
Since then, we have had an arrest for arson centering around the first fire on early New Year's Day (the Lachman Fire) and fireworks, and we have now seen a concentrated effort to minimize the role that the failure to monitor the Lachman Fire played.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 11:13 am
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:26 am to Jbird
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“While I fully understand the need to address potential liability concerns and to modify certain sections in consultation with the City Attorney to mitigate litigation risks, the current version appears highly unprofessional and inconsistent with our established standards.
Goofy bastard gonna regret this. But par for the course.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:37 am to LegendInMyMind
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failure to monitor the original Lachlan Fire on New Year's Eve/Day.
I read somewhere that the firefighters working that original fire were ordered to leave without ensuring the capacity for re-ignition had been performed.
As I recall, the particular vegetation involved is known for re-igniting if not thoroughly attending to its root system - especially when there is high wind possibility.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:39 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Against policy, someone didn't want to put them in an overtime position?
I read somewhere that the firefighters working that original fire were ordered to leave without ensuring the capacity for re-ignition had been performed.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:47 am to ChineseBandit58
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I read somewhere that the firefighters working that original fire were ordered to leave without ensuring the capacity for re-ignition had been performed.
It was possible they were "ordered", but the more likely scenario was one of the original units just rotated off shift and they failed to send anyone to continue monitoring it. I'm still not certain as to the LAFD policy for monitoring fires, and if that particular fire in that particular area would have technically been its responsibility to begin with.
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As I recall, the particular vegetation involved is known for re-igniting if not thoroughly attending to its root system - especially when there is high wind possibility.
Any fire in the Chaparral has the potential to burn for weeks, even months, underground. Hell, any wildfire in most any region can do that under the right conditions. That's why monitoring is so important and why offical containment of large fires moves so slowly.
ETA: The Lahaina/Maui fire was also a holdover fire, and that was a wildfire in an area with no natural wildfire cycle.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 11:50 am
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:21 pm to Jbird
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Councilmember Monica Rodriguez, who represents District 7, issued a statement shortly after Bass’s announcement encouraging Crowley to appeal. She also said she will use her authority as a councilmember to “set the record straight,” signaling her support for Crowley’s reinstate
I was critical of Crowley at first but she clearly got railroaded.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:24 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Here's a link to the original post that contains a Google Maps screenshot of where I thought the two fires started:
I think it’s funny we say we “think we know where it started”. They know where. Just like we knew MH-370 went down but let other countries report it and we knew when that crazy billionaire blew himself up in his sub before it was released by the company itself.
Our technology is wild.
Aerial shots alone from the day would show them exactly where it started.
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