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Bessent says administration can replicate tariffs if they lose at the Supreme Court

Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:29 am
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
1461 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:29 am
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Repeating assertions he had made prior to the high court hearing a month ago, Bessent cited several sections of 1962 Trade Act that give the president sweeping powers over import duties.

“We can recreate the exact tariff structure with [sections] 301, with 232, with 122,” he said during an onstage interview at the New York Times DealBook Summit.

Asked by host Andrew Ross Sorkin — the founding editor of DealBook and co-host of CNBC’s “Squawk Box” — whether the administration had to implement those measures permanently, Bessent replied, “permanently.”

Section 122 allows for tariff power up to 150 days, but 301 and 232 are less definitive on time frame. Bessent also cited the International Emergency Economic Powers Act as providing broad tariff authority, though that is the use under scrutiny by the Supreme Court.
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Why not just use those sections at the beginning
Posted by RelicBatches86
Florida
Member since Nov 2024
986 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:40 am to
they're not as good as the tariffs under emergency powers. and a President cant impose them as he wishes because Canada hurt his feelings

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Plans to find alternative tariff options are already in motion

Following the Supreme Court hearings on the legality of tariffs enacted by the US administration under the International Economic Emergency Powers Act (IEEPA), the government has started preparing fallback options to ensure the continuation of the tariff agenda. Although no comment was made on the specifics of these preparations, this has fuelled expectations that the court might overrule President Trump's use of the authorities granted under IEEPA. Betting markets already think President Trump will lose his tariff court battle.

The main strategies will probably involve making more prominent use of sections 301 and 232, which are already used to impose sectoral tariffs in response to unfair trade practices and national security threats. Currently in place and unaffected by the ruling are Section 301 tariffs on Chinese products and Section 232 tariffs on steel, aluminium and copper, as well as cars and car parts.

To implement further tariffs under Section 301, an investigation into the trade and economic policies of foreign countries is required, a process that can take up to nine months. This has led Trump to launch a Section 301 investigation against Brazil. Because Section 232 also requires a lengthy investigation before new duties can be imposed, the administration must plan for interim measures to avoid a tariff gap and mitigate potential retaliation payments if existing tariffs are overturned.



Trump won't hesitate to adopt new approaches


Given the extensive legal framework offered by the United States, Trump’s tariff toolkit also includes measures that have not yet been implemented. The two main options not yet invoked are the following:

Section 122, for instance, has far fewer procedures and could be implemented almost instantaneously. However, drawbacks include a 15% cap and a 150-day time limit, which could be extended with Congressional approval. Section 122 has never been invoked, but its requirement of a large balance of payment issues applies to many major trading partners, such as China or Mexico. Therefore, it is likely to be a measure of last resort or useful for a transitional period, but would not help to sustain a long-term tariff strategy.

Another possible tool is Section 338, which would allow tariffs of up to 50% to be imposed at a country level, based on discrimination against US commerce. Implemented during the Great Depression with the 1930 Tariff Act, it is untested in modern trade law. Moreover, it lacks procedural safeguards like mandated investigations, timelines or disclosure requirements. This provides scope for potential legal challenges.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
4416 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:53 am to
Its all a game to make you think things are being done and to slow Trump. Of course we can implement tariffs, thru a number of means. Point is, other countries realize and dont want to go thru sanctions etc again.

Result? Trump wins...we ALL win
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465838 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:56 am to
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Why not just use those sections at the beginning


I believe they have more oversight/reporting
Posted by LawTalkingGuy
Member since Mar 2025
106 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 11:02 am to
Here's a crazy idea: Just get your GOP majority Congress to pass the tarrifs, along with granting you the authority to adjust the Congressional tarrifs based on negotiations with foreign countries. Exactly what Our Constitution intended.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71552 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 11:03 am to
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Why not just use those sections at the beginning

Because that would have required an actual plan.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6584 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:03 pm to
Oh the irony when the USSC jumps in and forces the repayment of hundreds of billions to foreign countries. Sort of adds an explanation point on our effort to destroy ourselves.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170596 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:07 pm to
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Oh the irony when the USSC jumps in and forces the repayment of hundreds of billions to foreign countries.

They would be paid back to the importers who paid the tariffs not foreign countries
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6584 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:36 pm to
Well refreakngardless, they need to butt the hell out.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295980 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:38 pm to
repayment of hundreds of billions to foreign countries.


This myth still prevails.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
50880 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:39 pm to
The Administration has always had contingency plans in place, ready to go.

I’m sure that was communicated in trade negotiations and motivated partners like the UK to move ahead.
Posted by Furious
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2023
1276 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:52 pm to
Still need 60 in the senate and that isn’t happening ever on any issue
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
9309 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 1:32 pm to
quote:


Here's a crazy idea: Just get your GOP majority Congress to pass the tarrifs,


Here's a crazy reality... You can't pass anything in Congress without some Democrat votes. AND the Senate is controlled by GOPe/uniparty/RINO never-Trumpers.
Posted by LawTalkingGuy
Member since Mar 2025
106 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:31 pm to
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Here's a crazy reality... You can't pass anything in Congress without some Democrat votes. AND the Senate is controlled by GOPe/uniparty/RINO never-Trumpers


Well, are tarrifs the answer or not? Use a little leadership and deal making to convince Dems and Never Trumpers to go along. Maybe Compromise here and there. That is how our government used to function. We have data points right now to judge whether these tarrifs are useful.

If tarrifs are some critical necessity, then nuke the filibuster to get them.

If Congress won't go along, then maybe our Country doesn't want these tarrifs. And that would be something to consider

Honestly, I think Trump should be doing both. Seek legislation, but also use existing legislation to do what he reasonably can.

But dont use the inefficiency of Congress to bypass the Constitution. Congressional inefficiency is a feature, not a bug.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295980 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:33 pm to
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Here's a crazy reality... You can't pass anything in Congress without some Democrat votes. AND the Senate is controlled by GOPe/uniparty/RINO never-Trumpers.


You act like gridlock is a bad thing.
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