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Bessent says administration can replicate tariffs if they lose at the Supreme Court
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:29 am
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:29 am
quote:LINKCNBC
Repeating assertions he had made prior to the high court hearing a month ago, Bessent cited several sections of 1962 Trade Act that give the president sweeping powers over import duties.
“We can recreate the exact tariff structure with [sections] 301, with 232, with 122,” he said during an onstage interview at the New York Times DealBook Summit.
Asked by host Andrew Ross Sorkin — the founding editor of DealBook and co-host of CNBC’s “Squawk Box” — whether the administration had to implement those measures permanently, Bessent replied, “permanently.”
Section 122 allows for tariff power up to 150 days, but 301 and 232 are less definitive on time frame. Bessent also cited the International Emergency Economic Powers Act as providing broad tariff authority, though that is the use under scrutiny by the Supreme Court.
Why not just use those sections at the beginning
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:40 am to bigjoe1
they're not as good as the tariffs under emergency powers. and a President cant impose them as he wishes because Canada hurt his feelings
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Plans to find alternative tariff options are already in motion
Following the Supreme Court hearings on the legality of tariffs enacted by the US administration under the International Economic Emergency Powers Act (IEEPA), the government has started preparing fallback options to ensure the continuation of the tariff agenda. Although no comment was made on the specifics of these preparations, this has fuelled expectations that the court might overrule President Trump's use of the authorities granted under IEEPA. Betting markets already think President Trump will lose his tariff court battle.
The main strategies will probably involve making more prominent use of sections 301 and 232, which are already used to impose sectoral tariffs in response to unfair trade practices and national security threats. Currently in place and unaffected by the ruling are Section 301 tariffs on Chinese products and Section 232 tariffs on steel, aluminium and copper, as well as cars and car parts.
To implement further tariffs under Section 301, an investigation into the trade and economic policies of foreign countries is required, a process that can take up to nine months. This has led Trump to launch a Section 301 investigation against Brazil. Because Section 232 also requires a lengthy investigation before new duties can be imposed, the administration must plan for interim measures to avoid a tariff gap and mitigate potential retaliation payments if existing tariffs are overturned.
Trump won't hesitate to adopt new approaches
Given the extensive legal framework offered by the United States, Trump’s tariff toolkit also includes measures that have not yet been implemented. The two main options not yet invoked are the following:
Section 122, for instance, has far fewer procedures and could be implemented almost instantaneously. However, drawbacks include a 15% cap and a 150-day time limit, which could be extended with Congressional approval. Section 122 has never been invoked, but its requirement of a large balance of payment issues applies to many major trading partners, such as China or Mexico. Therefore, it is likely to be a measure of last resort or useful for a transitional period, but would not help to sustain a long-term tariff strategy.
Another possible tool is Section 338, which would allow tariffs of up to 50% to be imposed at a country level, based on discrimination against US commerce. Implemented during the Great Depression with the 1930 Tariff Act, it is untested in modern trade law. Moreover, it lacks procedural safeguards like mandated investigations, timelines or disclosure requirements. This provides scope for potential legal challenges.
LINK
Plans to find alternative tariff options are already in motion
Following the Supreme Court hearings on the legality of tariffs enacted by the US administration under the International Economic Emergency Powers Act (IEEPA), the government has started preparing fallback options to ensure the continuation of the tariff agenda. Although no comment was made on the specifics of these preparations, this has fuelled expectations that the court might overrule President Trump's use of the authorities granted under IEEPA. Betting markets already think President Trump will lose his tariff court battle.
The main strategies will probably involve making more prominent use of sections 301 and 232, which are already used to impose sectoral tariffs in response to unfair trade practices and national security threats. Currently in place and unaffected by the ruling are Section 301 tariffs on Chinese products and Section 232 tariffs on steel, aluminium and copper, as well as cars and car parts.
To implement further tariffs under Section 301, an investigation into the trade and economic policies of foreign countries is required, a process that can take up to nine months. This has led Trump to launch a Section 301 investigation against Brazil. Because Section 232 also requires a lengthy investigation before new duties can be imposed, the administration must plan for interim measures to avoid a tariff gap and mitigate potential retaliation payments if existing tariffs are overturned.
Trump won't hesitate to adopt new approaches
Given the extensive legal framework offered by the United States, Trump’s tariff toolkit also includes measures that have not yet been implemented. The two main options not yet invoked are the following:
Section 122, for instance, has far fewer procedures and could be implemented almost instantaneously. However, drawbacks include a 15% cap and a 150-day time limit, which could be extended with Congressional approval. Section 122 has never been invoked, but its requirement of a large balance of payment issues applies to many major trading partners, such as China or Mexico. Therefore, it is likely to be a measure of last resort or useful for a transitional period, but would not help to sustain a long-term tariff strategy.
Another possible tool is Section 338, which would allow tariffs of up to 50% to be imposed at a country level, based on discrimination against US commerce. Implemented during the Great Depression with the 1930 Tariff Act, it is untested in modern trade law. Moreover, it lacks procedural safeguards like mandated investigations, timelines or disclosure requirements. This provides scope for potential legal challenges.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:53 am to bigjoe1
Its all a game to make you think things are being done and to slow Trump. Of course we can implement tariffs, thru a number of means. Point is, other countries realize and dont want to go thru sanctions etc again.
Result? Trump wins...we ALL win
Result? Trump wins...we ALL win
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:56 am to bigjoe1
quote:
Why not just use those sections at the beginning
I believe they have more oversight/reporting
Posted on 12/3/25 at 11:02 am to bigjoe1
Here's a crazy idea: Just get your GOP majority Congress to pass the tarrifs, along with granting you the authority to adjust the Congressional tarrifs based on negotiations with foreign countries. Exactly what Our Constitution intended.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 11:03 am to bigjoe1
quote:
Why not just use those sections at the beginning
Because that would have required an actual plan.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:03 pm to LegendInMyMind
Oh the irony when the USSC jumps in and forces the repayment of hundreds of billions to foreign countries. Sort of adds an explanation point on our effort to destroy ourselves.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:07 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:
Oh the irony when the USSC jumps in and forces the repayment of hundreds of billions to foreign countries.
They would be paid back to the importers who paid the tariffs not foreign countries
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:36 pm to Powerman
Well refreakngardless, they need to butt the hell out.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:38 pm to RiverCityTider
repayment of hundreds of billions to foreign countries.
This myth still prevails.
This myth still prevails.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:39 pm to bigjoe1
The Administration has always had contingency plans in place, ready to go.
I’m sure that was communicated in trade negotiations and motivated partners like the UK to move ahead.
I’m sure that was communicated in trade negotiations and motivated partners like the UK to move ahead.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 12:52 pm to LawTalkingGuy
Still need 60 in the senate and that isn’t happening ever on any issue
Posted on 12/3/25 at 1:32 pm to LawTalkingGuy
quote:
Here's a crazy idea: Just get your GOP majority Congress to pass the tarrifs,
Here's a crazy reality... You can't pass anything in Congress without some Democrat votes. AND the Senate is controlled by GOPe/uniparty/RINO never-Trumpers.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:31 pm to BTROleMisser
quote:
Here's a crazy reality... You can't pass anything in Congress without some Democrat votes. AND the Senate is controlled by GOPe/uniparty/RINO never-Trumpers
Well, are tarrifs the answer or not? Use a little leadership and deal making to convince Dems and Never Trumpers to go along. Maybe Compromise here and there. That is how our government used to function. We have data points right now to judge whether these tarrifs are useful.
If tarrifs are some critical necessity, then nuke the filibuster to get them.
If Congress won't go along, then maybe our Country doesn't want these tarrifs. And that would be something to consider
Honestly, I think Trump should be doing both. Seek legislation, but also use existing legislation to do what he reasonably can.
But dont use the inefficiency of Congress to bypass the Constitution. Congressional inefficiency is a feature, not a bug.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:33 pm to BTROleMisser
quote:
Here's a crazy reality... You can't pass anything in Congress without some Democrat votes. AND the Senate is controlled by GOPe/uniparty/RINO never-Trumpers.
You act like gridlock is a bad thing.
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