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What Did Men Do to Deserve This? (Another take on the so-called man/boy crisis)

Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:22 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58412 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:22 pm
New Yorker article

The premise of the article is that men/boys AND women/girls are struggling, but since women/girls are generally ignored, we only hear about men and boys "in crisis."

I chuckled quite a bit as I read the article. Here are some pertinent excerpts.

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The good man of the reasonable center, in Galloway’s view, adheres to a code indistinguishable from that of the Boy Scouts: mental and physical fitness, emotional resilience, hard work, financial prudence, caring for others. Few could object to any of this. But the person it describes—a kind and conscientious sort, who aspires to make a decent living and who looks after their loved ones—seems blessedly gender-free. So why make this about manhood? Even the Boy Scouts have gone coed.


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There is no question that the generations-long erosion of the U.S. manufacturing base, and the diminution of the unionized pension jobs that this sector had offered, disproportionately harmed working-class men. (This is perhaps especially true for Black men, whose access to these steady, well-paying jobs greatly expanded following the victories of the civil-rights movement.) Ongoing industrial collapse has shaped many of the statistics that are central to the man-crisis discourse. Yet, if you tilt some of the most commonly cited data points this way or that, you can just as easily argue on the behalf of a woman crisis as a man crisis—or, perhaps most accurately, for an ongoing multidirectional crisis affecting us all.

The college gender gap, for instance, could be evidence of a rudderless, demoralized generation of young men, but it might also be the product of differing economic incentives. A paper published last year by Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce examines the labor landscape of rural America, noting that women need more education to earn the same amount of money as men, and that the less education a worker has, the more this gender gap widens. The over-all trajectory for the lowest-earning men is not good, certainly, but it’s not clear that their female counterparts are faring better.


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Emanuel, in his Washington Post op-ed, endorses a double standard with even greater frankness. The cost of housing, he writes, “is, of course, a problem for all Americans—men and women alike. But, unpopular as it might be to say in some quarters of my party, the crisis affects one gender with particular potency.” In other words, men and women pay the same bill, but we are obligated to understand that the social and spiritual price it extracts from men is higher. (If women want an emergency to call their own, it can be that they are not having enough babies.)

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What these pundits are nudging us to do, ever so politely, is accept that women, in the main, are accustomed to being a little degraded, a little underpaid and ignored and dampened in their ambitions, in ways that men are not and never will be. The “female-coded” person, to borrow Krugman’s terminology, may feel overwhelmed by child-care costs, ashamed that she can’t acquire a mortgage, or hollowed out by long hours as an I.C.U. nurse, but such feelings do not disturb the order of the universe. This person’s duties to protect, provide, and procreate are real, but they do not take the capital “P.” This person’s opinions matter, but not decisively. The Times pundit Ezra Klein has lately suggested that Democrats consider running anti-abortion candidates in red states, even though more than three-quarters of Gen Z women support abortion rights. Rights, like jobs, can be gender-coded, and these rights are valued accordingly.

“You need Dad,” Galloway, who has two sons, said on a recent podcast. The nuclear family he imagines seems to be one in which the mom is the default parent (“They look to her for nurturing. When they really have a problem, I find they go to Mom”), while the necessary dad is the authority figure to whom Mom can appeal as the occasion demands. “There are certain moments when my partner needs me to weigh in,” Galloway explained. “I don’t know if it’s the depth of my voice, my physical size.” Boys, he went on, “begin tuning out their mom over time.” One might wonder how boys lose these frequencies in the first place. One might long for a deep voice to explain it.


My favorite paragraph:
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The deeper one sinks into our nation’s alleged man-boy problem and its potential solutions, the more the woman reader may begin to feel something stronger than resentment or intellectual disdain. She may begin to feel a chauvinistic gratitude in her sex. The familiar flatness of feeling a little degraded seems preferable to the anger, entitlement, and alienation that (we are told over and over) gnaws away at so many male specimens. What a gift it is, really, to have no choice in the matter. To have to move out of your parents’ house, to show up for your shift, to change the diaper, not because any of it is gender-affirming but because life is full of tasks that need doing, and you are the person who does them. At least then you know who you are.
Posted by DB_tiger
BTR
Member since May 2025
225 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:25 pm to
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since women/girls are generally ignored, we only hear about men and boys "in crisis."


We’ve literally spent 60 years hammering the opposite into everyone’s heads
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58412 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:28 pm to
In what ways would you say women are NOT generally ignored? Research doesn't really support your claim.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:29 pm to
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The premise of the article is that men/boys AND women/girls are struggling, but since women/girls are generally ignored, we only hear about men and boys "in crisis."
What fricking universe do you live in?



It has been the exact opposite of that since the 60s.

On top of that, even if you consider the increase in discussions regarding male issues, still no one gives a shite.

This OP is the quintessential example of the feminist progressive mind.

“There is a crisis among young men…but women are really the ones suffering.”

You make me think of a clip I saw recently where an uneducated feminist was claiming that it wasn’t the men dying in war who were suffering, it was actually the women.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
61917 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:30 pm to
All I learned from this post is that you are seeking any sort of delusional word salad you can find to help you cling to your ridiculous worldview.

You lose every discussion in every thread you start about this, and just keep posting them anyway.

Not worth my time.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170142 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:31 pm to
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In what ways would you say women are NOT generally ignored? Research doesn't really support your claim.

Extremely attractive women aren't ignored that's for damn sure
Posted by DB_tiger
BTR
Member since May 2025
225 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:31 pm to
The fact that it is significantly easier for women to get jobs, federal/state assistance, money from random men online, etc.

And no, don’t cry “SOURCE?!” I have eyes and a functioning prefrontal cortex
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:31 pm to
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In what ways would you say women are NOT generally ignored? Research doesn't really support your claim.
Every social, educational, industrial, etc., movement for my entire life, that wasn’t centered on minorities, was centered around female empowerment.

You are batshit crazy.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170142 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:33 pm to
The women in construction week is one of the most comical events of all time
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68582 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:33 pm to
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The good man of the reasonable center, in Galloway’s view, adheres to a code indistinguishable from that of the Boy Scouts: mental and physical fitness, emotional resilience, hard work, financial prudence, caring for others. Few could object to any of this. But the person it describes—a kind and conscientious sort, who aspires to make a decent living and who looks after their loved ones—seems blessedly gender-free


The hard truth for the author is this premise is very false.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:34 pm to


What world does she live in?
Posted by infantry1026
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
7474 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:34 pm to
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In what ways would you say women are NOT generally ignored? Research doesn't really support your claim.


What “research”?

Women are, by and large, a bunch of self absorbed narcissists lol

And have been for a couple of decades…..ESPECIALLY since the rise of social media
Posted by Boss13
Mobile
Member since Oct 2016
1809 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:34 pm to
Ill agree that women have a huge problem.

Many women are going to regret the "live your best life" era.

Much of the reason for women's problems is liberal philosophy and rejection of traditional families.

Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
11916 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:35 pm to
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In what ways would you say women are NOT generally ignored? Research doesn't really support your claim.


The only way women are ignored currently, is when they object to men in their locker rooms, fitting rooms, bathrooms and sports.

Other than that it's Girl Boss time, 24/7.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
61917 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:35 pm to
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The fact that it is significantly easier for women to get jobs, federal/state assistance, money from random men online, etc.

And no, don’t cry “SOURCE?!” I have eyes and a functioning prefrontal cortex


We literally have laws throughout the country that give women the freedom to decide if their offspring are even allowed to live, and not a single law anywhere that allows men to discharge their responsibilities if the woman makes a "choice" the father does not agree with. On top of that, not a single state in our nation requires a DNA test at birth, so if a man does not believe himself to be the father he may be required spend thousands of dollars to force the woman to consent to a test.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58412 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:35 pm to
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What fricking universe do you live in?



I live in America. Where men hold most of the power and wealth and have since its inception (while wanting to disenfranchise women for voting for the wrong men to govern the country). Where medical professionals, such as yourself if I recall correctly, frequently dismiss the concerns of their women patients.

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On top of that, even if you consider the increase in discussions regarding male issues, still no one gives a shite.



If that were true, the man-boy crisis wouldn't be discussed ad nauseum.

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“There is a crisis among young men…but women are really the ones suffering.”



More like, "we're all suffering but people only talk about men because men are whining about now dealing with the same shite women have always had to put up with."

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You make me think of a clip I saw recently where an uneducated feminist was claiming that it wasn’t the men dying in war who were suffering, it was actually the women.



You make me think of a typical man.

Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32551 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:35 pm to
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The deeper one sinks into our nation’s alleged man-boy problem and its potential solutions, the more the woman reader may begin to feel something stronger than resentment or intellectual disdain. She may begin to feel a chauvinistic gratitude in her sex. The familiar flatness of feeling a little degraded seems preferable to the anger, entitlement, and alienation that (we are told over and over) gnaws away at so many male specimens.


This is an interesting concept to try to import into the race context.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58412 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:38 pm to
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The only way women are ignored currently, is when they object to men in their locker rooms, fitting rooms, bathrooms and sports.



Have you ever worked outside of the home? You may have an extremely limited worldview that makes it hard to relate to many of the issues addressed in the article.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68582 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:38 pm to
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Where men hold most of the power and wealth and have since its inception (while wanting to disenfranchise women for voting for the wrong men to govern the country).


This is why the premise is false. Women are vengeful. Cubbies with power is a devastating nightmare for everyone.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463653 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:40 pm to
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In what ways would you say women are NOT generally ignored?


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