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Lawsuit is NOT about a breach of contract and NOT for damages (money)

Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted by lsuatty1311
Houma
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:34 pm
The more I read the posts on the rant, I am convinced that most people have no idea what this lawsuit is about, both legally and practically. First, LSU is paying Kelly as per the contract. There is no allegation that LSU has not paid or has refused to pay. Legally, this lawsuit is for a "Declaratory Judgment" to determine the relationship status between Kelly and LSU. Practically, it is a bullshite move designed to move the needle via social media. It is unnecessary and preliminary. Both sides were in active negotiations and would have likely settled without all of the dirty laundry. And if they did not settle on a lump sum settlement, then LSU would have still continued paying. Kelly is essentially daring LSU to bring out the dirt. To its credit, LSU has not responded to the allegations yet. There is no real hurry either as a party has 15 days to respond and can easily get an extension.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
174773 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:38 pm to
I have a Declaratory Judgement to make that Brian Kelly is a used car salesman fraud that started to steal money, act as a lazy ceo instead of a hands on football coach in the building day in day out setting the example for all to see. He rather do press conferences spitting out fancy lines of not holding himself accountable and always has excuses for failures.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:40 pm to
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It is unnecessary and preliminary.
Yup
Posted by FWBTigah
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:42 pm to
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I have a Declaratory Judgement to make that Brian Kelly is a used car salesman fraud that started to steal money, act as a lazy ceo instead of a hands on football coach in the building day in day out setting the example for all to see. He rather do press conferences spitting out fancy lines of not holding himself accountable and always has excuses for failures.


I'll add to it....

also someone who is owed all of his buyout if he wants it
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37121 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:44 pm to
I wonder if LSU is possibly using Kelly’s refusal to fire Sloane as a ground for firing for cause?
It’s one of the For Cause clauses and relates to his duties under the contract.
Posted by RidiculousHype
The Hatch
Member since Sep 2007
10635 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:45 pm to
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Brian Kelly is a used car salesman fraud that started to steal money, act as a lazy ceo instead of a hands on football coach in the building day in day out

yesterday BK was a victim of Woody's unhinged meddling

no saying per you but it's funny how narratives shift every day on here
Posted by Oldlady70
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
48 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:47 pm to
Thanks for the clarification!
Posted by rpr4695
Member since May 2013
2112 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:48 pm to
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Lawsuit is NOT about a breach of contract


Correct, kind of. People ask for declaratory judgments to ask for a court to outline the rights and remedies of a contract. To get these, you need to have a justiciable controversy. The controversy is whether BK is subject to the liquidated damages clause. I think this is one of the rare instances where a dec action is appropriate.

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First, LSU is paying Kelly as per the contract. There is no allegation that LSU has not paid or has refused to pay. Legally, this lawsuit is for a "Declaratory Judgment" to determine the relationship status between Kelly and LSU. Practically, it is a bullshite move designed to move the needle via social media.


Just objectively incorrect. See paragraph 42 of the complaint. It's a dispute about whether a liquidated damages was triggered because of BK's termination without cause. If LSU's legal position is that they can "convert" this termination into one with cause or that BK wasn't even terminated, that argument isn't going to go far.

This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 1:49 pm
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22781 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:50 pm to
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I wonder if LSU is possibly using Kelly’s refusal to fire Sloane as a ground for firing for cause?
It’s one of the For Cause clauses and relates to his duties under the contract.


No, it's not.
Posted by TigerDCC11
Member since May 2007
2119 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:52 pm to
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I wonder if LSU is possibly using Kelly’s refusal to fire Sloane as a ground for firing for cause?


I asked this a couple of weeks ago and was laughed at, so who knows.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22473 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:53 pm to
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I wonder if LSU is possibly using Kelly’s refusal to fire Sloane as a ground for firing for cause?
It’s one of the For Cause clauses and relates to his duties under the contract.


That's the story I'm telling myself today. He won't fire Sloane, him and LSU are at a management impasse, agree to part ways rather than terminate (which would be for cause), LSU starts negotiating, Kelly pretends to be in negotiations and then drop this suit to try and eliminate this bargaining chip by getting a judgment that he has already been terminated, with LSU missing the cure period window.

I had relied on what I read here as far as termination language, but read that part of the contract again today and realized LSU had more power in that regard that had been reported. Which makes sense, because you can't just have a disobedient employee with no recourse but to pay his entire contract (which almost seems like the majority of people here think).
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
174773 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:56 pm to
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no saying per you but it's funny how narratives shift every day on here


go read kelly's letter of goodbye, i said he could kiss my arse then too.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22473 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 2:00 pm to
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If LSU's legal position is that they can "convert" this termination into one with cause or that BK wasn't even terminated, that argument isn't going to go far.


The issue at hand is whether it defaulted to a termination without cause.

They are trying their best to frame it as a foregone conclusion that it is a termination without cause. If LSU never gave him a written notice of termination, and he is otherwise still employed. So i think this is indeed a judgement as to the relationship - because if he is deemed terminated (even without notice), they will argue that they missed the window in which he could provide a cure.

They dropped this story overnight, exactly 7 days from when the LSU President (who is the person authorized to terminate him with cause in the contract) was hired. I think this was all pre-mediated by Kelly and his legal team.

ETA - if LSU and Kelly decided to negotiate the buyout rather than terminate immediately, they may be on stronger ground than you think - Kelly said he was open to negotiations in an email recapping a meeting. At that time, he made sure to reference his "termination" ....he planned this, which is why he turned down the offer that would net him more money if he still wants to actually work.
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 2:06 pm
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22473 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 2:02 pm to
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No, it's not.


Yes, it is.

See Section 11 (A) (e), and then Section 4 (B) and (C)
Posted by ActusHumanus
St. George, Louisiana
Member since Sep 2025
453 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 2:04 pm to
Based on Brian Kelly’s 2021 employment contract with LSU, the head coach would indeed be in violation if he refused to dismiss an assistant coach after being instructed to do so by the athletic director.

Here’s the relevant clause:

“The Head Coach shall, at all times, comply with and carry out the reasonable directives and decisions of the Athletic Director and the President. The Head Coach shall ensure that all assistant coaches and other football staff members also comply with the directives of the Athletic Director and President.”

Explanation

This section gives the Athletic Director (AD) authority to issue directives that the head coach must “carry out.” Since employment and dismissal decisions for assistant coaches fall under the athletic department’s oversight, a directive from the AD to terminate an assistant coach would qualify as one that must be followed.

Therefore:

If the AD directly instructs Brian Kelly to dismiss an assistant coach,

And Kelly refuses to do so,

then Kelly would be in violation of his contractual duty to carry out directives from the Athletic Director.

Consequences

While the contract doesn’t specify the exact penalty for that specific violation, noncompliance could be treated as:

Breach of contract, or

Cause for termination, under sections defining “for cause” termination, which include failure to comply with university or athletic department directives .
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37121 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 2:04 pm to
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e. Unreasonable refusal or repeated failure to perform any duties imposed upon Employee herein, or failing to perform the same to the best of Employee's reasonable ability;



quote:

4. Duties and Responsibilities.
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B. Hiring and firing (subject to appropriate budget approvals, such approvals not to be unreasonably withheld or delayed) and managing the assistant coaches and other athletic staff necessary and appropriate to assist Employee in meeting the responsibilities herein;

C. Performing all duties reasonably assigned to Employee by the Athletics Director so long as such duties are consistent with those duties typically assigned to head coaches at colleges or universities at the same competitive level as LSU;

Posted by ReverendJeffro
Mandeville,LA
Member since Dec 2013
1151 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 2:06 pm to
So what options does LSU have in regards to their response?
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 2:16 pm
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22781 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 2:08 pm to
You think LSU can fire it's head coach with cause because the AD asked the HC to fire the OC in the middle of the season because the offense sucks? Do you realize the implications that would have on attracting future head coaches?
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87049 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 2:09 pm to
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Kelly is essentially daring LSU to bring out the dirt


In short, in keeping with his previous 3 1/2 years here, he’s gonna try to frick us on his way out the door.
Posted by krewerider
Member since Sep 2009
802 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 2:10 pm to
Will we ever know how it all went down on that Sunday? Why did Kelly say in his email he was open to a settlement....then all of a sudden wasn't? Why didn't LSU step through the door Kelly opened, and negotiate? Kelly has nothing to lose as far PR damage, hell no one in America likes him. But LSU stands to lose a lot of face and damage by not settling this quickly.
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