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Have you ever seen what happened on the blocked FG?
Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:55 pm
All my years(a bunch), i've never seen that. Seems like the right call was made but dang, who would've known to get away from that?!?
This post was edited on 11/9/25 at 3:01 pm
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:58 pm to GarTiger
Had never seen that before. The question I had watching was whether the ball bouncing off of a Carolina player's head causes the ball to be "down" or whether that doesn't matter because it was behind the line of scrimmage when contact was made.
Weird play and tough break. Glad the D got it back a few plays later.
Weird play and tough break. Glad the D got it back a few plays later.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:59 pm to GarTiger
Yes but in a Leon Lett on Thanksgiving way. Not just the ball bouncing around. The only reason it even went forward after he blocked it was because it ricocheted off a Panther lineman.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 3:02 pm to saintsfan22
I thought the Leon Lett play was well down the field? You talking about in the snow that time? I guess the same principal applied but who wouldn't jump on the ball at the LOS?!?
Posted on 11/9/25 at 3:02 pm to saintsfan22
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Yes but in a Leon Lett on Thanksgiving way
That's the exact rule in play here. After that happened players after a block ran from the ball like it was diseased but barely any of these kids playing today even know who Leon Lett was.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 3:16 pm to saintsfan22
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The only reason it even went forward after he blocked it was because it ricocheted off a Panther lineman.
Yep. Touched a panthers player, should have been an immediate dead ball
Posted on 11/9/25 at 3:17 pm to GarTiger
quote:that was weird but obviously based on rule sounds a kick is no different than a punt
my years(a bunch), i've never seen that. Seems like the right call was made but dang, who would've known to get away from that?!?
Since we touched it on defensive side of LOS it was a live ball as if we had possession and fumbled. It’s like on a punt where if a punt bounces into a punt returner it’s a live ball for kicking team to recover.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 3:20 pm to GarTiger
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I thought the Leon Lett play was well down the field? You talking about in the snow that time?
Yes
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I guess the same principal applied but who wouldn't jump on the ball at the LOS?!?
I don't know how it's not dead when bouncing off the Panthers player is why it went past the los.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 3:23 pm to DBG
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Yep. Touched a panthers player, should have been an immediate dead ball
I don't think so.
Most blocks go backwards and in the ensuing scramble, it must be possessed and downed to be a dead ball. Other blocks go down field a bit. As long as the defensive team doesn't touch it it becomes a dead ball. If they touch it but don't possess it, it is what you had today.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 5:13 pm to GarTiger
I am 57, so yeah I have seen it before but it is pretty rare. This was just one of them rare times where a blocked FG went past the LOS and was touched in a pile. Almost always the ball goes backwards.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 5:34 pm to Who_Dat_Tiger
But we never possessed it. Possession never changed hands so the Panthers still needed first down yardage which they did not get.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 7:16 pm to DBG
You are correct. Hit Panther in helmet just like a punt it’s dead ball.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 7:37 pm to GarTiger
ChatGPT helped me out.
? Relevant NFL Rulebook Sections
Rule 11 — Scrimmage Kicks
ARTICLE 3. KICKING TEAM RECOVERS BEYOND LINE OF SCRIMMAGE
“If a scrimmage kick crosses the line of scrimmage, and is recovered by the kicking team, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery.
If the ball is recovered before the line to gain, it is first down for the receiving team.”
This is the base rule.
So if the Panthers (kicking team) recover past the LOS but short of the sticks, the ball should be dead and become Saints’ ball.
? Relevant NFL Rulebook Sections
Rule 11 — Scrimmage Kicks
ARTICLE 3. KICKING TEAM RECOVERS BEYOND LINE OF SCRIMMAGE
“If a scrimmage kick crosses the line of scrimmage, and is recovered by the kicking team, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery.
If the ball is recovered before the line to gain, it is first down for the receiving team.”
This is the base rule.
So if the Panthers (kicking team) recover past the LOS but short of the sticks, the ball should be dead and become Saints’ ball.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 7:37 pm to jepapo
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But we never possessed it. Possession never changed hands so the Panthers still needed first down yardage which they did not get.
This makes sense.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 7:41 pm to GarTiger
My guess is that the competition committee will get together in the off-season and change this rule. Clearly, athe Leon Lett situation the ball should go over to the other team.
However, I’m guessing that the competition committee will put in some sort of buffer zone where the blocking team gets to keep the ball even if it’s touched beyond the line of scrimmage. The buffer will be something like 5 to 10 yards.
However, I’m guessing that the competition committee will put in some sort of buffer zone where the blocking team gets to keep the ball even if it’s touched beyond the line of scrimmage. The buffer will be something like 5 to 10 yards.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 12:44 am to GarTiger
I think the refs ruled this like it was the Leon Lett play (Thanksgiving, 1993), when really it wasn't.
First, it's a terrible rule. When a defender leaps to block a kick, there's probably a 75-80% chance it's going to bounce off either an offensive or defensive lineman. So the stupid rule is saying that it's OK for a great defensive play's outcome to be determined by a random, unintentional carom of the football.
The ball Sunday hit a Carolina player first. Why didn't Kellen Moore scream bloody murder and challenge the call?
Leon Lett was the first person to touch the blocked Miami kick in 1993, so that was different.
This is one of the worst rules in the NFL book. The other truly horrible one is the one that awards a touchback when a guy fumbles at the 1-yard line and the ball bounces out of bounds in the end zone. Bad rules.
First, it's a terrible rule. When a defender leaps to block a kick, there's probably a 75-80% chance it's going to bounce off either an offensive or defensive lineman. So the stupid rule is saying that it's OK for a great defensive play's outcome to be determined by a random, unintentional carom of the football.
The ball Sunday hit a Carolina player first. Why didn't Kellen Moore scream bloody murder and challenge the call?
Leon Lett was the first person to touch the blocked Miami kick in 1993, so that was different.
This is one of the worst rules in the NFL book. The other truly horrible one is the one that awards a touchback when a guy fumbles at the 1-yard line and the ball bounces out of bounds in the end zone. Bad rules.
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