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My Zion observations last night
Posted on 10/25/25 at 9:33 am
Posted on 10/25/25 at 9:33 am
Went to the game last night. First game I’ve been to in a few years.
First time seeing Zion since the last time I went to a game he was unsurprisingly hurt. We sat very close to the Pels bench.
First observation, Jesus H Christ Wemby is long as frick.
Zion observations:
He’s the reason I wanted to go to the game.
We showed up an hour early to the game and saw lots of guys shooting. Wemby was out there the whole time, so was Hawkins and Bey. Zion not at all.
All the players came out and did their warmups about 12 minutes before the game started. Everyone was out there but Zion.
Zion eventually came out with about 2 minutes left. Didn’t talk to anyone, just walked up and grabbed a ball and bricked 3 free throws, then made one and then pregame activities started.
First half thoughts were Zion still plays unbelievable lazy defense. Spurs put him in the pick action a lot and he would just sit back playing drop coverage while his teammate gets cleanly picked. His dribbling sucks.
Halftime happens and players start trickling out the locker rooms and start shooting. Zion is the last one out with about 2 minutes left and just goes sit on the bench by himself.
His attitude this entire time just looks like someone who doesn’t want to be there. I started paying attention to him the entire 2nd half. During timeouts he doesn’t talk to anyone, and no one talks to him. He just walks around, and mostly goes bitch at the refs.
When he comes out the game he sits on the bench and same thing, didn’t talk to anyone, and no one talks to him.
I will say last 4 minutes of the game he started playing great defense on Wemby and in the pick action.
But my overall impression was he did not want to be there, and everyone seemed to be tip toeing around him.
Maybe he’s like this all the time, I don’t know. Maybe this is normal for some guys in the nba, but seemed very odd to me in my one game experience seeing Zion in person.
If he doesn’t want to be here, then fine by me. I’ll gladly trade him before Christmas this year if he doesn’t get hurt by then.
He’s probably got his highest value right now after losing weight and appearing to care, but this lazy arse doesn’t care.
I’m done with him and hope we move on from him this year.
First time seeing Zion since the last time I went to a game he was unsurprisingly hurt. We sat very close to the Pels bench.
First observation, Jesus H Christ Wemby is long as frick.
Zion observations:
He’s the reason I wanted to go to the game.
We showed up an hour early to the game and saw lots of guys shooting. Wemby was out there the whole time, so was Hawkins and Bey. Zion not at all.
All the players came out and did their warmups about 12 minutes before the game started. Everyone was out there but Zion.
Zion eventually came out with about 2 minutes left. Didn’t talk to anyone, just walked up and grabbed a ball and bricked 3 free throws, then made one and then pregame activities started.
First half thoughts were Zion still plays unbelievable lazy defense. Spurs put him in the pick action a lot and he would just sit back playing drop coverage while his teammate gets cleanly picked. His dribbling sucks.
Halftime happens and players start trickling out the locker rooms and start shooting. Zion is the last one out with about 2 minutes left and just goes sit on the bench by himself.
His attitude this entire time just looks like someone who doesn’t want to be there. I started paying attention to him the entire 2nd half. During timeouts he doesn’t talk to anyone, and no one talks to him. He just walks around, and mostly goes bitch at the refs.
When he comes out the game he sits on the bench and same thing, didn’t talk to anyone, and no one talks to him.
I will say last 4 minutes of the game he started playing great defense on Wemby and in the pick action.
But my overall impression was he did not want to be there, and everyone seemed to be tip toeing around him.
Maybe he’s like this all the time, I don’t know. Maybe this is normal for some guys in the nba, but seemed very odd to me in my one game experience seeing Zion in person.
If he doesn’t want to be here, then fine by me. I’ll gladly trade him before Christmas this year if he doesn’t get hurt by then.
He’s probably got his highest value right now after losing weight and appearing to care, but this lazy arse doesn’t care.
I’m done with him and hope we move on from him this year.
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Posted on 10/25/25 at 9:46 am to TeddyPadillac
I mentioned his pregame routine last year. People said he’s in the back with his trainer stretching a bunch. If that’s the case I’m ok with that. Don’t really need to practice outside shooting pregame if you’re not going to shoot outside.
Side note, what the hell is up with his tongue gestures. First two games he has constantly licking / rubbing his tongue on the side of his mouth/goatee. It’s really odd.
Side note, what the hell is up with his tongue gestures. First two games he has constantly licking / rubbing his tongue on the side of his mouth/goatee. It’s really odd.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 9:53 am to TeddyPadillac
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All the players came out and did their warmups about 12 minutes before the game started. Everyone was out there but Zion.
This is likely part of a new training routine, guarantee you he’s in the back with a trainer stretching and warming up.
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If he doesn’t want to be here
If he didn’t want to be here he wouldn’t be here. Every single player was offered the opportunity to leave this offseason. Personally I think he loves the team but hates the coach
Posted on 10/25/25 at 9:53 am to Soggymoss
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If he didn’t want to be here he wouldn’t be here. Every single player was offered the opportunity to leave this offseason. Personally I think he loves the team but hates the coach
/close thread
Posted on 10/25/25 at 10:01 am to Soggymoss
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If he didn’t want to be here he wouldn’t be here.
He had no trade value. He wasn’t going anywhere no matter what.
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Personally I think he loves the team but hates the coach
I agree that he likely does not like Willie at all. Still found it odd he didn’t talk to anyone while he was on the bench or during timeouts.
I still don’t want him b/c of what he does, or doesn’t do on the court. He gets by on shear athleticism. He has no skills, and it’s obvious he hasn’t worked on them. Just get rid of him while he has value right now after losing weight. This team isn’t winning shite this year or next.
Trade Zion. Trade Poole. Fire Willie.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 10:05 am to Soggymoss
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This is likely part of a new training routine, guarantee you he’s in the back with a trainer stretching and warming up
I wasn’t implying he wasn’t doing anything. I’m well aware that’s likely what he was doing. Not a problem.
Is there a goal under the arena?
Do you think it’s wise for a guy to play an nba game and not shoot or dribble a ball within an hour of the game starting? Seems pretty fricking stupid to me. Maybe start your stretch routine earlier and get your fat arse out there and shoot some free throws.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 10:05 am to TeddyPadillac
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He had no trade value. He wasn’t going anywhere no matter what.
This is just absolutely false. He has no guaranteed money left on his contract despite being under contract 3 seasons including this one. We could have and would have gotten multiple 1sts for him on potential alone.
If he had a fully guaranteed contract I could see that and it would be more of a case of player for player swap, but that’s not the case
This post was edited on 10/25/25 at 10:06 am
Posted on 10/25/25 at 10:16 am to Soggymoss
So someone is going to give up multiple 1sts for a guy who can’t stay healthy and has a max contract that isn’t guaranteed anymore b/c he can’t stay under 300lbs?
Why would anyone give up multiple firsts just b/c they can cut the guy if it doesn’t work out? That makes zero sense.
He had hardly any value this summer. No one was giving up a top 6 pick for him.
Why would we trade him for 2 middling 1sts and salary filler? He didn’t have Desmond Bane value. He may have that soon though, and if he does, then get rid of him before he gets hurt again.
Why would anyone give up multiple firsts just b/c they can cut the guy if it doesn’t work out? That makes zero sense.
He had hardly any value this summer. No one was giving up a top 6 pick for him.
Why would we trade him for 2 middling 1sts and salary filler? He didn’t have Desmond Bane value. He may have that soon though, and if he does, then get rid of him before he gets hurt again.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 10:21 am to TeddyPadillac
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Why would anyone give up multiple firsts just b/c they can cut the guy if it doesn’t work out? That makes zero sense.
Risk vs rewards.
1st round picks are valuable but teams give them up for less. They can take the risk of throwing 2 1sts out there thinking they can be the one to get through to him (think Miami), and if it doesn’t work then they have no real penalty in cutting him besides the 2 picks they traded. There’s really no risk at all involved.
Also, things like this is why, teams know the potential there
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Posted on 10/25/25 at 10:29 am to Soggymoss
Trading Zion for two middling 1sts is my definition of having no value.
Zion for 2 1sts is horrible value for us compared to what other good players have gotten lately like Bane, KAT, Bridges.
All he had to do was lose some weight and stay healthy and he’ll have that value by Christmas or sooner.
Zion for 2 1sts is horrible value for us compared to what other good players have gotten lately like Bane, KAT, Bridges.
All he had to do was lose some weight and stay healthy and he’ll have that value by Christmas or sooner.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 10:36 am to TeddyPadillac
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Trading Zion for two middling 1sts is my definition of having no value. Zion for 2 1sts is horrible value for us compared to what other good players have gotten lately like Bane, KAT, Bridges.
And you would be correct in the fact that it would not be fair value for him, my point is that we could have and would have gotten picks for him this offseason if he wanted to leave
Posted on 10/25/25 at 10:45 am to Soggymoss
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Giannis Antetokounmpo becomes the FIRST player in NBA history to open a season with 60+ PTS, 30+ REB, and 10+ AST through two games!” per NBA History.
Wemby with 69 points, 26 boards, 12 blocks. Ask AI who’s done that before.
Congrats to Zion on his 8 steals to make his stat relevant.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 10:48 am to Soggymoss
You’re saying “picks” like you mean 4-5 picks (b/c that’s an expected return for Zion), and that was not the case this offseason.
His value was 2 picks and some salary filler. That’s why he wasn’t traded. He had no value, b/c for someone of his potential that is “no value”
His value was 2 picks and some salary filler. That’s why he wasn’t traded. He had no value, b/c for someone of his potential that is “no value”
Posted on 10/25/25 at 11:18 am to TeddyPadillac
He's not going anywhere. You dudes are still delusional about this. He's happy with his role and has fully embraced his team as the guy. His play is reflecting that. He's learning how to close games and has been taking steps in wanting the ball at the close of games. There's still work to be done but he's taking the right steps.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 11:20 am to TeddyPadillac
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Zion still plays unbelievable lazy defense. Spurs put him in the pick action a lot and he would just sit back playing drop coverage while his teammate gets cleanly picked.
This is my biggest issue with him.
You look at our defensive breakdowns (and we have a lot of them) and many of them start with Zion (and sometimes Trey) getting caught ball watching, allowing for the opposition to pass around and get someone open, usually for a corner three.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 11:40 am to Broski
I get what y'all are saying, but I think that a lot of people will struggle with the idea that the guy leading the league in steals is playing lazy defense.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 11:55 am to GOP_Tiger
Everyone had multiple breakdowns on defense. Herb, Trey, Zion, etc... Everyone was bad especially early on.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 12:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
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get what y'all are saying, but I think that a lot of people will struggle with the idea that the guy leading the league in steals is playing lazy defense.
He gets the steals because he is playing help defense on the ball, feast or famine I guess, but his man gets away from him a lot.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 12:45 pm to Soggymoss
That is a fun stat, and I’m thrilled Zion is in shape for the first time in his career, but another take away from the first two games is Zion is not as good as Wemby or Ja. He’s not as good as Ant, Shai, Luka, Jokic.
His failure to develop his game over the last seven years has meant the game has passed him by. Zion’s ceiling in this league is probably a top 15 player.
Which is great and you can build around that. Going to be tough to win as a small market team though when your best player and biggest contract isn’t among the true elites in the league though.
His failure to develop his game over the last seven years has meant the game has passed him by. Zion’s ceiling in this league is probably a top 15 player.
Which is great and you can build around that. Going to be tough to win as a small market team though when your best player and biggest contract isn’t among the true elites in the league though.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 1:05 pm to Buck Dancer
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Side note, what the hell is up with his tongue gestures. First two games he has constantly licking / rubbing his tongue on the side of his mouth/goatee. It’s really odd.
I pointed this out to my friends. He looks like a Cow with his tongue licking his face and chewing on it all the time now. Someone needs to get him some gum. No idea if this is a side effect of anything or not, but it is very odd behavior.
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