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SCOTUS oral arguments @9am- Louisiana vs Callais (Voting Rights Act)

Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:22 am
Posted by Bourre
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:22 am
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Issue: (1) Whether the majority of the three-judge district court in this case erred in finding that race predominated in the Louisiana legislature's enactment of S.B. 8; (2) whether the majority erred in finding that S.B. 8 fails strict scrutiny; (3) whether the majority erred in subjecting S.B. 8 to the preconditions specified in Thornburg v. Gingles; and (4) whether this action is non-justiciable.

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Posted by UptownJoeBrown
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:27 am to
I’m worried. Every time Louisiana is in the conversation things can go sideways.
Posted by ezride25
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:28 am to
Louisiana is sideways.
Posted by Padme
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:29 am to
Posted by 756
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:29 am to
Louisiana is past sideways, its upside down
Posted by cajunandy
New Orleans
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:30 am to
There was another issue added to the case by SCOTUS on August 1, 2025 when they requested supplemental briefs.

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Order of August 1, 2025: THE PARTIES ARE DIRECTED TO FILE SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEFS ADDRESSING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION RAISED ON PAGES 36—38 OF THE BRIEF FOR APPELLEES: WHETHER THE STATE’S INTENTIONAL CREATION OF A SECOND MAJORITY-MINORITY CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT VIOLATES THE FOURTEENTH OR FIFTEENTH AMENDMENTS TO THE U. S. CONSTITUTION

Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:33 am to
Of course it does. Gerrymandering within a state boundary to create a voting district for a particular race is absolutely racist. If it is okay to gerrymander for racial preference then it is okay to be racist.

What a clear message to send to society. We are about to find out what SCOTUS deems as acceptable behavior.
Posted by cajunandy
New Orleans
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:55 am to
These cases were originally argued in the 2024 term. At the end of June the court decided to hold these cases over for additional argument. Justice Thomas filed a dissent from holding the cases over. In his dissent he goes over the state of the law. Thomas seems to take the position that section 2 of the voting rights act violates the constitution. On August 1, 2025 the additional issue requesting supplemental briefs was added.

Thomas dissent from holding case over.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:59 am to
How did they get this way in the first place? If it were done the same way, then it all has to be changed.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:18 am to
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Thomas seems to take the position that section 2 of the voting rights act violates the constitution.


That's the needle's eye Roberts is going to try to thread: how to say race-based gerrymandering does not invalidate Section 2 of the VRA (because this case is solely built on race being used as the determinant and Section 2 being the foundation for that reasoning).

Section 2 prohibits two types of discrimination: "vote denial", in which a person is denied the opportunity to cast a ballot or to have their vote properly counted, and "vote dilution" in which the strength or effectiveness of a person's vote is diminished. Section 2 litigation has usually been concerned with only vote dilution, especially claims that a jurisdiction's redistricting plan or use of at-large/multimember elections prevents minority voters from casting sufficient votes to elect their preferred candidates.

The problem is that this stance eventually mandates the creation of majority-minority districts in order to allow minorities to elect their preferred candidates. If minorities are spread too sparsely throughout the state, it then mandates extreme gerrymandering. What we've seen over the years is that the SCOTUS has been so determined to avoid admitting that Section 2 violates the 14th's Equal Protection Clause that they've actually created leeway for violations.

This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 9:20 am
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:34 am to
Alito is right to the point on Robinson that Milligan's standard of (group) compactness was ignored.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:47 am to
Thanks for posting, Bourre. Justice Gorsuch just showed the silliness of trying to redistrict based on race...and not calling that racial discrimination.

Looking good for ending race-based gerrymandering.
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:50 am to
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Looking good for ending race-based gerrymandering.


There are three that are against it: Alito, Gorsuch, and Thomas. Need two of Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Roberts. So probably Barrett and Kavanaugh.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:52 am to
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Need two of Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Roberts. So probably Barrett and Kavanaugh.


I predict all three come along. Huge victory.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:54 am to
Great opening in favor of ending racial discrimination.
Posted by BeefSupreme
Metairie
Member since Sep 2016
555 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:57 am to
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How did they get this way in the first place? If it were done the same way, then it all has to be changed.

The race hustlers demanded it be done.
The AG stopped and thought for a moment, and in a stroke of genius, paved the way.
She knew it would go down like this.
Trump's DOJ went further and realized that this was a mechanism to strike down a much larger, racist Federal law, The Voting Rights Act.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:01 am to
Listening to Justice Wise Latina, she's doing exactly what the Section 2 proponents have been doing (and the argument the Court has allowed) and that's conflating the right to vote with some sort of "right to win" by minority voters.
Posted by cajunandy
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2015
855 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:04 am to
Sota mayer has a tell, when she gets angry in her questioning she is on the losing side. It sounded like she was getting angry.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
7262 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:05 am to
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Listening to Justice Wise Latina, she's doing exactly what the Section 2 proponents have been doing (and the argument the Court has allowed) and that's conflating the right to vote with some sort of "right to win" by minority voters.


Spot on.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
16747 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:07 am to
If it is not overturned then SCOTUS is promoting racism.
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