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What is the background of the RCC immigration modern teachings?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:33 pm
I really hope this doesn’t turn into a mother Prot v Cat pissing contest. I’m Catholic, but am fine criticizing the Vatican and a good amount of Clergy. No need to get into that whole can of worms for the Inth time
I just can’t square a country being forced to take on endless streams of foreigners as being backed in scripture or catechism. Sexual and life issues make sense from an intellectual perspective, I don’t get the immigration thing?
If it’s simply about mistreating people, that should just apply to everyone. I agree that no one should be “mistreated”, but the issue is that can be very subjective
I just can’t square a country being forced to take on endless streams of foreigners as being backed in scripture or catechism. Sexual and life issues make sense from an intellectual perspective, I don’t get the immigration thing?
If it’s simply about mistreating people, that should just apply to everyone. I agree that no one should be “mistreated”, but the issue is that can be very subjective
Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:41 pm to burger bearcat
The official teaching is that you can make and enforce prudent rules around how immigration occurs, but you should welcome and protect those who are truly vulnerable. It's never been that countries are forced to take in unending waves of immigrants.
Catechism:
"The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.
Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens."
Catechism:
"The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.
Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens."
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:51 pm to burger bearcat
IMO- it’s economics. Need an ever expanding base to sustain prolonged existence.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:55 pm to burger bearcat
The problem with Christianity - and in this case Catholicism - is that you are supposed to always assume positive intent. That a person seeking to immigrate and seeking it in good faith, and will do what they should do in good faith.
As Christians - we have to believe that. As long as negative intent isn't obvious - we can't assume negative intent.
But we all know that isn't realistic. But that sort of doesn't matter.
And the catechism itself, for Catholics, has to thread that needle.
On the other side of things - there's a lot of influence that comes from outside Catholicism, if you catch my drift. That stuff is real with some of the tangential "Catholic" organizations that do a lot of this work.
As Christians - we have to believe that. As long as negative intent isn't obvious - we can't assume negative intent.
But we all know that isn't realistic. But that sort of doesn't matter.
And the catechism itself, for Catholics, has to thread that needle.
On the other side of things - there's a lot of influence that comes from outside Catholicism, if you catch my drift. That stuff is real with some of the tangential "Catholic" organizations that do a lot of this work.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:57 pm to CatholicLSUDude
Catholic Church isn't in the pro immigration business. They aren't saying to people , "Hey Mr. Latin American, you should go to America in fact we'll facilitate it as the RCC." The Curch is pro immigrant once they are here. Meaning they protect, give care, and advocate for them....give shelter and food and point them to services that the immigrants cam access. So long as the immigrant is not committing felonies like theft, rape or murder while under their care, the Church will avoid dealing with the authorities.
Catholic Church has always been facilitator for immigrants and refugees. It's a policy based on hundreds of years if not a milennia whether it be Europe or the Americas.
Catholic Church has always been facilitator for immigrants and refugees. It's a policy based on hundreds of years if not a milennia whether it be Europe or the Americas.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:07 pm to burger bearcat
I recommend that you read the Catechism, if you haven't already. I don't think that there is any "RCC immigration modern teachings", because it's not in the Catechism.
IMHO this is a political question and not a spiritual question.
We are called on to be charitable towards our neighbors and to love our neighbors as ourselves. IMHO the USA's immigration laws and regs do not violate that spiritual rule. Let's enforce our laws.
IMHO this is a political question and not a spiritual question.
We are called on to be charitable towards our neighbors and to love our neighbors as ourselves. IMHO the USA's immigration laws and regs do not violate that spiritual rule. Let's enforce our laws.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:36 pm to burger bearcat
I’m a fairly traditional catholic.
The basis of the USCCB position (which then filters up to the Vatican) is the billions of dollars scooped up by “Catholic” Charities aiding and abetting illegal immigration.
The basis of the USCCB position (which then filters up to the Vatican) is the billions of dollars scooped up by “Catholic” Charities aiding and abetting illegal immigration.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:44 pm to Freauxzen
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The problem with Christianity - and in this case Catholicism - is that you are supposed to always assume positive intent.
Ok, I’ve heard this before and this is wrong. Christians are supposed to understand all people are broken, and to be gracious to those seeking grace.
No where does it say I am supposed to believe everything is happening in good faith, especially immigrants. In fact, there are many Old Testament stories about rejecting pagans altogether because they destroy your morals and religious traditions…. Which, just btw, is rather prophetic.
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