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“I’m a republican not because of George Bush, but because of Donald Trump”

Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:28 am
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:28 am


Many more like him I’m sure

Not gonna lie, if not for Trump & JD, I’d be very apathetic and resigned to the fate of the country.
quote:

"I’m a Republican not because of George Bush, but because of Donald Trump. I’m a Republican not because of Dick Cheney, but because of J.D. Vance. And I’m a Republican because of Charlie Kirk. That is the Republican Party we need to embrace. That is the Turning Point vision we need to espouse."
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:30 am to
I vote Republican, not because of anyone in particular on the right, because of how absurd everyone on the left is.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83234 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:32 am to
quote:

if not for Trump & JD, I’d be very apathetic and resigned to the fate of the country.


Same. I’d be conservative but would not have a party.

I was liberal during the W years. In part bc I was young but also bc W sucked and I opposed the Iraq war.
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
24497 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:33 am to
I've voted Republican my entire life. Not since Reagan have I been really proud of who I voted for. Trump/Vance really has the country going in the right direction.
Posted by Bayoubred
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2011
4098 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:36 am to
The Bush/McCain/Romney Republican party has always been “the lesser of two evils.” The Trump Republican party is the Good that wars against the Evil.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:41 am to
Can you articulate the specific policy divisions of the 2?

Please don't use broad, malleable terms without definitions like "America First", globalism, uniparty, etc. I'm talking actual policies with specifics.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
5992 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:45 am to
Sure, no new wars and enforcing the border. Were you not alive under Bush and Chaney or are you intentionally being obtuse? Also, NCLB was and continues to be an absolute disaster. I can keep going if you like and haven’t even began to discuss the “Patriot” Act
Posted by ArkLaTexTiger
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
2568 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:47 am to
Trump 2 > Trump 1
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52529 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:49 am to
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Can you articulate the specific policy divisions of the 2?

George Bush and Trump?

Do we really have to explain the difference in their postures towards illegal immigration? Trump’s deportations are going slowly, as I predicted, and for the reasons I foretold, but he has shut down the pipeline. That is a major difference.

Trump is forcing our allies to shoulder their share of defense costs. This is something every President this century has claimed to want, but no one ever did anything about it. Trump has.

Trump is unwilling to tolerate unbalanced trade policies of the sort Bush was blasé about.

Trump is crushing woke. Bush went along with it. This includes an aggressive war against affirmative action.
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 9:51 am
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35101 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:50 am to
I’m a Republican because of Democrats
Posted by RobertFootball
SC
Member since Mar 2021
2200 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:50 am to
I’m a Republican because of rush limbaugh.
Posted by BuckeyeGoon
Member since Jan 2025
959 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:50 am to
Illegal immigration for one. From the Reagan years all the way through Obama, illegal immigration was always a topic republicans paid lip service to but never really put any effort into doing anything about, because illegal immigrant labor was also a boom to the donors and lobbyists of the republican party same as the democrats.

You'll also notice trade policy is vastly different between the Bush era republicans to the Trump/MAGA movement.

I could keep bringing up more examples if you want to keep playing dumb, just let me know.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467299 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:50 am to
quote:

Sure, no new wars and enforcing the border. Were you not alive under Bush and Chaney or are you intentionally being obtuse? Also, NCLB was and continues to be an absolute disaster. I can keep going if you like and haven’t even began to discuss the “Patriot” Act


So you were actively against the Iraq War, Patriot Act, etc. in real time?
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
101735 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:52 am to
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i vote Republican, not because of anyone in particular on the right, because of how absurd everyone on the left


Trump has shined a bright light on them. They were winning quietly under Obama and if not for Trump emerging in 2016 we'd likely be way closer to Europe right now than many realize.

Maybe Covid would have forged a new leader of the right but who knows.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467299 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:56 am to
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Do we really have to explain the difference in their postures towards illegal immigration? Trump’s deportations are going slowly, as I predicted, and for the reasons I foretold, but he has shut down the pipeline. That is a major difference.

Trump is forcing our allies to shoulder their share of defense costs. This is something every President this century has claimed to want, but no one ever did anything about it. Trump has.

Trump is unwilling to tolerate unbalanced trade policies of the sort Bush was blasé about.


So immigration and trade imbalances?

quote:

Trump is crushing woke. Bush went along with it.

This is not a true statement. The Bush admin fought AA

Pres. Bush Calls Affirmative Action Policy Unconstitutional

quote:

“I strongly support diversity of all kinds, including racial diversity in higher education, but the method used by the University of Michigan to achieve this important goal is fundamentally flawed,” Mr. Bush said. “At their core the Michigan policies amount to a quota system that unfairly rewards or penalizes prospective students based solely on their race.”


Also, the Bush admin was for border security

quote:

Border Security Is The Basic Responsibility Of A Sovereign Nation And An Urgent Requirement Of Our National Security. We have more than doubled border security funding from $4.6 billion in FY 2001 to $10.4 billion in FY 2007. We will have also increased the number of Border Patrol agents by 63 percent – from just over 9,000 agents at the beginning of this Administration to nearly 15,000 at the end of 2007. We are also on track to increase this number to approximately 18,000 by the end of 2008, doubling the size of the Border Patrol during the President's time in office.


He even used the NG

quote:

To Supplement The Border Patrol As Its Numbers Increase, Approximately 6,000 National Guard Members Have Been Sent To Our Southern Border In Coordination With Governors. National Guard units are assisting the Border Patrol by operating surveillance systems, analyzing intelligence, installing fences and vehicle barriers, and building patrol roads. The National Guard is increasing the operational capacity of the Border Patrol to gain control of our Southern border.


Arrested employers for employing illegals and created more workplace enforcement

quote:

The Number Of Arrests In Worksite Enforcement Cases Has Increased Dramatically During The President's Time In Office. There were more than 4,300 arrests in worksite enforcement cases for 2006, more than seven times the arrests in 2002. In addition, the two largest worksite enforcement actions in U.S. history were conducted last year by ICE.

In Fall 2005, The President Signed A Bill Doubling Federal Resources For Worksite Enforcement. In addition,the Administration has launched law enforcement task forces in 11 major cities to dismantle criminal rings that produce fake documents.

DHS Has Issued A Proposed "No-Match" Regulation To Assist Employers In Ensuring A Legal Workplace And To Help The Government Identify And Crack Down On Employers Who Knowingly Hire Illegal Workers. In cases in which an employer has ten or more employees with inaccurate information, the Social Security Administration (SSA) sends the employer a "No-Match" letter. DHS's proposed "No-Match" regulation clarifies that employers may be held civilly and criminally liable when a letter is sent and employers ignore the discrepancies between SSA databases and the information provided about their employees.


And I believe Trump has basically stolen this proposal, with selected industries (like ag and hospitality), at least.

quote:

To Provide A Lawful Channel For Employment That Will Benefit Both The United States And Individual Immigrants, The President Has Called For The Creation Of A Temporary Worker Program. Such a program will serve the needs of our economy by providing a lawful and fair way to match willing employers with willing foreign workers to fill jobs that Americans have not taken. The program will also serve our law enforcement and national security objectives by taking pressure off the border and freeing our hard-working Border Patrol to focus on terrorists, human traffickers, violent criminals, drug runners, and gangs.


This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 9:57 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467299 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:58 am to
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I could keep bringing up more examples if you want

Please do.

Trade policy and the war issue (which is TBD for Trump) seem to be the only 2 that people will admit to publicly. And the trade policy is leftist in nature, which is where I figured the differences would reside.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
5992 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 10:00 am to
Absolutely and still am. We accomplished nothing in Iraq other than removing Saddam which you could make an argument for but that wasn’t the US’ responsibility or problem. That was for the people of Iraq to decide and their commitment to “peace” was put on full display when they essentially surrendered to a few hundred ISIS fighters. You can also make an argument for the concept of the “Patriot” Act but clearly it has been one of the most abused policies in the modern era against its own people. I have never been a fan of W or Dick Chaney. I did not vote in 04’ but absolutely made the mistake of voting for him in 2000. I will not vote for an establishment candidate in 2028 if the Republicans trot out another one like McCain or Romney
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
5992 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 10:08 am to
I am by no means a Trump apologist so his stimulus package under Covid was slightly more understandable but it was wrong and Bush’s TARP program was a very poor policy decision which opened the floodgates for the Obama administration. If you will also recall healthcare subsidies began under Bush
Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
South of I-10
Member since Aug 2012
1173 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 10:17 am to
quote:

I vote Republican, not because of anyone in particular on the right, because of how absurd everyone on the left is.


I was thinking about this before going to sleep last night. If the dims were to convincingly separate themselves from Marxists, feminists, illegal aliens, LGBTQMAP weirdos, and social misfits in general, I’d probably switch parties. After all, no one in my lineage ever voted Republican until Eisenhower.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
25739 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 10:33 am to
I’m a R because of Ronnie Ray Gun!
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