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Inability to run block in the Kelly era (scheme/Will Campbell related)
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:45 pm
LSU could not run successfully behind a bonafide all American top 5 draft pick last year. He will be a dominant pro bowler in the NFL for 10+ years if he stays healthy.
Why is that? It's the scheme. Same reason we can't push around LaTech or Sela. You put the players in bad situations, you get poor results. I don't think our offensive line is the 90s Cowboys but there's no reason they can't put up 150 plus rushing yards on Ole Miss like Tulane Kentucky and Arkansas did.
Why is that? It's the scheme. Same reason we can't push around LaTech or Sela. You put the players in bad situations, you get poor results. I don't think our offensive line is the 90s Cowboys but there's no reason they can't put up 150 plus rushing yards on Ole Miss like Tulane Kentucky and Arkansas did.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:46 pm to Shaq4prez
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It's the scheme. Same reason we can't push around LaTech or Sela. You put the players in bad situations, you get poor results. I don't think our offensive line is the 90s Cowboys but there's no reason they can't put up 150 plus rushing yards on Ole Miss like Tulane Kentucky and Arkansas did.
Yep. Its not like these guys (OL) are playing their first year of football. All high level recruits/transfers.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:48 pm to Shaq4prez
You are correct, it is scheme but we actually did very well when we ran behind Campbell last season. The problem was we never did it. Somebody charted it in the summer, we had a near 80% success rate behind Campbell but only ran behind him like 40 times out of 365 rushing attempts.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:53 pm to Madking
Fascinating perspective. I'm not sure how the 2025 zone blocking differs from typical power runs or counters 10 years ago. If someone could explain, I would appreciate the information. Yes, I'm serious also.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:55 pm to Shaq4prez
Fascinating perspective. I'm not sure how the 2025 zone blocking differs from typical power runs or counters 10 years ago. If someone could explain, I would appreciate the information. Yes, I'm serious also.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:55 pm to Dthomp
Zone is just hat on hat, Power uses a pulling Olineman or two and a lead blocker, Counter can be blocked both ways depending on what type of counter it is.. trap, tre etc..
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:59 pm to Shaq4prez
FIRE BRAD DAVIS. You're welcome.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:59 pm to Shaq4prez
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LSU could not run successfully behind a bonafide all American top 5 draft pick last year. He will be a dominant pro bowler in the NFL for 10+ years if he stays healthy.
Why is that? It's the scheme. Same reason we can't push around LaTech or Sela. You put the players in bad situations, you get poor results. I don't think our offensive line is the 90s Cowboys but there's no reason they can't put up 150 plus rushing yards on Ole Miss like Tulane Kentucky and Arkansas did.
I see what people are saying about scheme and I get it, but I watched LSU run the ball against overmatched opponents under Les when the defense ran 8 and 9 man boxes. That wasn't "scheme" that allowed LSU to run the ball, that was just bullying the opponent. Now, in fairness, once LSU didn't have the talent and size advantage, good teams shut them down with a quickness but they at least bullied people that they should.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:01 pm to Dthomp
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Fascinating perspective. I'm not sure how the 2025 zone blocking differs from typical power runs or counters 10 years ago. If someone could explain, I would appreciate the information. Yes, I'm serious also.
Zone was around back then too. To me, I agree with Kelly when I watch the film that it's not so much a tactical but a technique problem. Even Dickson on the postgame with Hanny said when he watches the tape, he can see where the plays could've worked but too consistently we lunge, we reach, we play with high pad level or we get our hands on the outside while d linemen get their hands on the inside. Those aren't scheme issues, that's just losing the 1v1 fistfight.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:01 pm to Dthomp
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I'm not sure how the 2025 zone blocking differs from typical power runs or counters 10 years ago. If someone could explain, I would appreciate the information. Yes, I'm serious also.
I think the most basic aspect of that for me is zone blocking is a very much coordinated effort that involves much more communication than your standard powers and counters.
On a well executed counter, the linebackers end up out of position as they are reading the backfield action. This puts the lineman in a advantageous position to get to their mark and create the necessary seal block to create a lane. Either the lead blocker or the pulling lineman create a downhill aspect to the play. A straight power is just man on man big boy football. Much of that is lost with the type of spread offense this team runs. You can certainly run power and counter out of a spread attack. We just don't do much of it. When we do it's slow developing. Just look at the two-point conversion. We needed two yards but handed it to the running back 8 yards deep. That is just mind-boggling.
One thing that we can't seem to do in the Brian Kelly era is just put the quarterback under Center and get the running back moving downhill in short yardage. Why couldn't nussmeier be under Center on that two-point conversion? Everyone seems to be able to do that except for us. The under Center quarterback sneak didn't find its way into our playbook until the end of last season. Terrible terrible terrible.
If you go back and watch the Ole Miss game, there was a third and five at about the 20 yard line. Chambliss was in the shotgun with big #8 TE lined up at RB aside the QB. It looked like a pass play, but was a design run play with number 8 leading the way. The tight end goes off tackle and gets enough of whit weeks to get chambliss around the right edge for a 6-yard gain in a first down. That was a power. That was a power in the year 2025.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:02 pm to Shaq4prez
Is it BKs scheme or the OCs scheme?
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:03 pm to Shaq4prez
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We just don't do much of it. When we do it's slow developing. Just look at the two-point conversion. We needed two yards but handed it to the running back 8 yards deep. That is just mind-boggling.
That was actually split zone fwiw.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:06 pm to JiminyCricket
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That was actually split zone fwiw.
Fair and I agree. I was alluding to the slow developing aspect though
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:06 pm to Shaq4prez
I wonder what the o-line productivity rating under BK has been at LSU? Is such a metric available? They are simply awful.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:10 pm to Shaq4prez
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LSU could not run successfully behind a bonafide all American top 5 draft pick last year.
I would love to interview the New England line coach.
Campbell struggled early in camp/preseason with run blocking.
IMO, the techniques we’re teaching for run blocking blows.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:17 pm to Madking
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Somebody charted it in the summer, we had a near 80% success rate behind Campbell but only ran behind him like 40 times out of 365 rushing attempts.
Lmao. If true, that's actually fricking insane.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:19 pm to Shaq4prez
Great detail with the run schemes. Absolutely, being under center has our backs running downhill when they receive the ball, and is huge when they hit the hole or come off a block, play action pass out of being under center, etc.
I remember that play. Laine uses formations and run plays early to come back later and throw out of it. Was #8 lined up in the back field on the last play when the QB threw him the first down? I know he released untouched
I remember that play. Laine uses formations and run plays early to come back later and throw out of it. Was #8 lined up in the back field on the last play when the QB threw him the first down? I know he released untouched
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:40 pm to JiminyCricket
he didn't run into the middle of the pack of 8-9 men in the box. Even Miles was smarter than run into a wall. BK isn't.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:43 pm to QB
It's 100% how we're coached. It's like we're catching and trying to sort it all out. We do not fire off the ball and go after the other team. We have no F-you when it comes to our Oline. These guys were all blue chip recruits. There's no need for it. Get Sam Pittman there asap, and let him eat.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 3:04 pm to Dthomp
It differs a lot. Reads and judgements and pushing. Not driving.
I understand sort of. But I hate it
I understand sort of. But I hate it
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