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Inability to run block in the Kelly era (scheme/Will Campbell related)

Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:45 pm
LSU could not run successfully behind a bonafide all American top 5 draft pick last year. He will be a dominant pro bowler in the NFL for 10+ years if he stays healthy.

Why is that? It's the scheme. Same reason we can't push around LaTech or Sela. You put the players in bad situations, you get poor results. I don't think our offensive line is the 90s Cowboys but there's no reason they can't put up 150 plus rushing yards on Ole Miss like Tulane Kentucky and Arkansas did.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 1:46 pm
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
11955 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:46 pm to
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It's the scheme. Same reason we can't push around LaTech or Sela. You put the players in bad situations, you get poor results. I don't think our offensive line is the 90s Cowboys but there's no reason they can't put up 150 plus rushing yards on Ole Miss like Tulane Kentucky and Arkansas did.


Yep. Its not like these guys (OL) are playing their first year of football. All high level recruits/transfers.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
65844 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:48 pm to
You are correct, it is scheme but we actually did very well when we ran behind Campbell last season. The problem was we never did it. Somebody charted it in the summer, we had a near 80% success rate behind Campbell but only ran behind him like 40 times out of 365 rushing attempts.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 1:49 pm
Posted by Dthomp
Gonzales
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:53 pm to
Fascinating perspective. I'm not sure how the 2025 zone blocking differs from typical power runs or counters 10 years ago. If someone could explain, I would appreciate the information. Yes, I'm serious also.
Posted by Dthomp
Gonzales
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:55 pm to
Fascinating perspective. I'm not sure how the 2025 zone blocking differs from typical power runs or counters 10 years ago. If someone could explain, I would appreciate the information. Yes, I'm serious also.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
65844 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:55 pm to
Zone is just hat on hat, Power uses a pulling Olineman or two and a lead blocker, Counter can be blocked both ways depending on what type of counter it is.. trap, tre etc..
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 1:58 pm
Posted by FightingTigers138
In your thoughts
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:59 pm to
FIRE BRAD DAVIS. You're welcome.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:59 pm to
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LSU could not run successfully behind a bonafide all American top 5 draft pick last year. He will be a dominant pro bowler in the NFL for 10+ years if he stays healthy.

Why is that? It's the scheme. Same reason we can't push around LaTech or Sela. You put the players in bad situations, you get poor results. I don't think our offensive line is the 90s Cowboys but there's no reason they can't put up 150 plus rushing yards on Ole Miss like Tulane Kentucky and Arkansas did.



I see what people are saying about scheme and I get it, but I watched LSU run the ball against overmatched opponents under Les when the defense ran 8 and 9 man boxes. That wasn't "scheme" that allowed LSU to run the ball, that was just bullying the opponent. Now, in fairness, once LSU didn't have the talent and size advantage, good teams shut them down with a quickness but they at least bullied people that they should.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5898 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:01 pm to
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Fascinating perspective. I'm not sure how the 2025 zone blocking differs from typical power runs or counters 10 years ago. If someone could explain, I would appreciate the information. Yes, I'm serious also.


Zone was around back then too. To me, I agree with Kelly when I watch the film that it's not so much a tactical but a technique problem. Even Dickson on the postgame with Hanny said when he watches the tape, he can see where the plays could've worked but too consistently we lunge, we reach, we play with high pad level or we get our hands on the outside while d linemen get their hands on the inside. Those aren't scheme issues, that's just losing the 1v1 fistfight.
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:01 pm to
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I'm not sure how the 2025 zone blocking differs from typical power runs or counters 10 years ago. If someone could explain, I would appreciate the information. Yes, I'm serious also.


I think the most basic aspect of that for me is zone blocking is a very much coordinated effort that involves much more communication than your standard powers and counters.

On a well executed counter, the linebackers end up out of position as they are reading the backfield action. This puts the lineman in a advantageous position to get to their mark and create the necessary seal block to create a lane. Either the lead blocker or the pulling lineman create a downhill aspect to the play. A straight power is just man on man big boy football. Much of that is lost with the type of spread offense this team runs. You can certainly run power and counter out of a spread attack. We just don't do much of it. When we do it's slow developing. Just look at the two-point conversion. We needed two yards but handed it to the running back 8 yards deep. That is just mind-boggling.

One thing that we can't seem to do in the Brian Kelly era is just put the quarterback under Center and get the running back moving downhill in short yardage. Why couldn't nussmeier be under Center on that two-point conversion? Everyone seems to be able to do that except for us. The under Center quarterback sneak didn't find its way into our playbook until the end of last season. Terrible terrible terrible.

If you go back and watch the Ole Miss game, there was a third and five at about the 20 yard line. Chambliss was in the shotgun with big #8 TE lined up at RB aside the QB. It looked like a pass play, but was a design run play with number 8 leading the way. The tight end goes off tackle and gets enough of whit weeks to get chambliss around the right edge for a 6-yard gain in a first down. That was a power. That was a power in the year 2025.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 2:05 pm
Posted by Kajuntiger121110
Member since Aug 2020
1035 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:02 pm to
Is it BKs scheme or the OCs scheme?
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5898 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:03 pm to
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We just don't do much of it. When we do it's slow developing. Just look at the two-point conversion. We needed two yards but handed it to the running back 8 yards deep. That is just mind-boggling.


That was actually split zone fwiw.
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
4554 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:06 pm to
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That was actually split zone fwiw.


Fair and I agree. I was alluding to the slow developing aspect though
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
14979 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:06 pm to
I wonder what the o-line productivity rating under BK has been at LSU? Is such a metric available? They are simply awful.
Posted by plance
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2007
1964 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:10 pm to
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LSU could not run successfully behind a bonafide all American top 5 draft pick last year.


I would love to interview the New England line coach.
Campbell struggled early in camp/preseason with run blocking.
IMO, the techniques we’re teaching for run blocking blows.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16563 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:17 pm to
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Somebody charted it in the summer, we had a near 80% success rate behind Campbell but only ran behind him like 40 times out of 365 rushing attempts.

Lmao. If true, that's actually fricking insane.
Posted by Dthomp
Gonzales
Member since Jan 2016
61 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:19 pm to
Great detail with the run schemes. Absolutely, being under center has our backs running downhill when they receive the ball, and is huge when they hit the hole or come off a block, play action pass out of being under center, etc.

I remember that play. Laine uses formations and run plays early to come back later and throw out of it. Was #8 lined up in the back field on the last play when the QB threw him the first down? I know he released untouched
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
7467 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:40 pm to
he didn't run into the middle of the pack of 8-9 men in the box. Even Miles was smarter than run into a wall. BK isn't.
Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2004
14792 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 2:43 pm to
It's 100% how we're coached. It's like we're catching and trying to sort it all out. We do not fire off the ball and go after the other team. We have no F-you when it comes to our Oline. These guys were all blue chip recruits. There's no need for it. Get Sam Pittman there asap, and let him eat.
Posted by mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
4519 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 3:04 pm to
It differs a lot. Reads and judgements and pushing. Not driving.

I understand sort of. But I hate it
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